cynicallyinsane wrote:If there is a god, why doesn't he prove that he exists?

God does and must prove that he exists since, based on his own Golden Rules, he calls on all humans to prove all things, one of which things would include God's existence.

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

God's best proof of himself is Love since he calls himself Love.
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Thus, it makes sense that since most people believe in hating this or that, most people would tend to discount Love as proof of God's existence and so would think that God does not prove and is not proving his existence to us.

But in the meantime God still loves himself as all atheists and so loves all atheists as himself.
Matthew 22:36-40

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

cynicallyinsane wrote:Why does he leave us without any compelling evidence of his existence?

By not looking at Love, most people wd conclude that there is no compelling evidence of his existence or that God is giving no compelling evidence of his existence.

And God also uses this apparent 'lack of compelling evidence of his existence' for good:
he substitutes any agnostics or atheists or etc for himself as a test to see if theists would love those atheists and so prove that they so really believed in God's existence as Love that they would love those atheists as God and so love God as those atheists.
Matthew 25:
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

45Then shall he answer them, saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

1 John 4:
20 If a man say, I love God,
and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

[quote="Mr. Pragmatism"]Why is faith a prerequisite for dealings with a god?
Ape: Faith is not a prerequisite for dealings with God.
Love is..since God is Love and Love is God.
John 1:1. 1 John 4:8.
And because faith and doubt both work by Love, Galatians 5:6, it can also be truly and undoubtedly said that without faith and without doubt it is impossible to please God, when it really means without Love it is impossible to please or to know or to obey or have faith in or have doubt in God.
Love carries its own faith which is ever-faithful, and carries its own doubt which is undutiable.
1 Corinthians 13:2.
1 John 4:7-8.
And with faith in Love, we can have faith in God or have doubt in God!
When doubt is in Love, doubt is still in good faith!
Would you love me to continue this Love-theme to re-prove that there is more faith in genuine doubt than most creeds of science allow?:)
We may doubt that the stars are fire and doubt that truth be a liar, and doubt the sun is above, but I always doubt Love in Love!:) A la Shakespeare.
Mr. P:
Because some text told us so?
Ape: No, because it stands to the text and texture and context of contextual Reason:
without Love, all is fake fake:
without Love, we can't even be real fakes:
we can only be fake fakes!

With Love, even fakes are real, and we can be and are real fakes!
With Love, we are loving to be real: we are not real to Love: and Love is the only and the real reality as per Carole King!
Mr.P:
Its a bit self-referential.
ape: Actually, it is Love which is self-referential and self-definitional and self-sufficiential and self-relational and self-absolutional. This is so simply because Love is self-lovutional and self-revolutional which is because Love loves itself, loves itself as all other words and loves all other words as itself. This Love of self also makes Love the Relative Absolute and the Absolute Relative: absolutely relative and relatively absolute!
May I continue?:)
Your wish is my command!:)

[quote="Mr. Pragmatism"]Sometimes I think you type as much nonsensical phrases as possible and just hope people don't pay too close attention to what you write.
Ape: As my wife says to me in Love, so in Love I say to you:
See what happens when you think?!:)
Did you know there is sense in nonsense, and that that fact proves language had to have been invented by a God?:idea:
Mr. P:How does referencing the bible in any way prove or disprove the existence of god?
Ape: It doesn't!
It's just a philosophy of spirituality reference or a spirituality of philosophy reference to see what is your p-reference::) spinoza or wittgenstein or hesse or bible or bohr or einstein or shelley or shakespeare or heisenberg or john archibald wheeler or--, see what I am referencing?:)
Mr.P: I have seen you use this type of tactic several times, and I still struggle how you attempt to use as evidence one of the very things being debated.
Ape: Simply because the answer is most always in the same mouth that asks the question, the evidence is mostly always hidden in plain sight. Ever looked for your spectacles everywhere else but where they they were: on your own head? Cdn't find them, huh?
Mr.P:
This is nonsensical.
Ape: I do see sense in what is nonsense to you! Do you get any meaning from what is meaning less?:idea:
Mr.P: What is a fake fake? What is a real fake?
Ape:
Hmmm are you saying that you have never faked it till you maked(made) it?:)
A fake fake is the person who hates fakes and fakers and so does not realise he too is a fake, an actor, a hypocrite as we all are! What makes us real is Love, what makes words have meaning is Love, so what makes fakes real is Love.
Are you a fake? I am.
Mr.P:I have this feeling like I'm being trolled.
Ape: You really mean you have this intuitive feeling that you are pa-trolling yourself for the proper premise in thinking all your thoughts, and being asked by your autonomic-neuro-control to con-trol yourself for the proper axiom for all your words!:)
Mr.P: Seriously, what are you talking about? What is self-lovutional?
Ape: Love loving itself means that Love revolves or goes around or orbits or circled itself and so is self-revolving or self-revolutionary or self-revolutional! From there, it is a simple step to see and for the mint of my mind to coin, that Love can be said to be Love-utional or lovutional, which when said aloud sounds like 'Love you tional!':)
Mr.P:
Love does not love itself, love is a concept, not a being.
Ape:
Love is the only word that loves itself and all other words. See Shakespeare.
Love is both a noun and a subject and a verb and an object: Love loves itself so all others can! That's WS again!
And when we use the figure of speech called Personification, Love is a being, such as 'Love is kind, Love is patient,' and as such is the Being that was in the beginning with God, and is both the spirit of the mind of God and the God that God worships!:)
Wd love to refer you to where all that was also said about 2000 years ago!
Mr.P:
Are you high?
Ape:
Very perceptive, Mr.P!
I am always high on the Divine Wine of the Vine of Love!:)
Want some?;)
Love in this differs from clay: that to share and divide is not to take away!
PBShelley.
Plus, I am actually at this very moment sitting is the midst of a voluptuous garden of flowers and trees and birds and a lake with springs of water gushing forth in endless re-volu-tion, full of lazily swimming fish, with the waft of the gentlest of breezes taking glancing blows at my cheeks,--so I am doubly high!:)
God asked me to tell you 'Hi.':)
Fortunately, this Love-intoxication or God-inebriation keeps one permanently high, leaves no hangover, and from what I hear here there and everywhere, there is no cure for being addicted to Love and for being madly in Love!:). To me it is amazing that when we are IN Love, Love is also IN us as when we are full of Love!
What say you, Mr.P?

[quote="Mr. Pragmatism"]
So,you are saying god exists because he tells people to prove all things, including his existence, therefore god exists?
Ape: No. Independent of God calling on us to prove it, I have already proved God's existence based on the word Love loving all words and their opposites!:)
Mr.P:This is a tautology because it presupposes as true the very thing it is asked to prove.
Ape: That wd be true if God's existence were not independently proved by other means.
Mr.P: Do you see the big circle you just talked in?
Ape: I do see the circle that you see that I am talking in! But that circle is included in and based on the bigger circle of Love that I am in!:)
Love and I have the wit to win:
We draw the circle of Love and include all in!
Do you see that bigger circle of Love that I just talked in?:)

Mr. Pragmatism wrote:

ape wrote:What say you, Mr.P?

I say that I now realize that I am being trolled,
Ape:
Do you realise that it takes one to know one?
So that you are really being pa-trolled by you?
Now, I know that because a person is paranoid does not mean he is not being pa-trolled. But believe me, I love and respect you and treasure the convo too much to do that to you.
You can do a self-check to see what kind of troll you are to yourself and others: do you love or hate trolls? Hating trolls wd mean that you give you a hard time. Trolls who love trolls don't matter: those are the good trolls.
Mr.P:
...and politely back away from the thread.
Ape:
Thank you for your politeness such as it is.
You can take it to a higher level of genuinity if you love yourself as impolite and as a troll so that, in that Love and Respect your politeness wd be real and not fake when you are polite to those whom you think are trolls.
Now, please don't be shy: let's converso when you feel like it! I do admit I can be overwhelming with all this talk about Love and Respect.