What is the argument against prostitution and why should a free society be against it? A person must consider this first before either being for or against legalized prostitution.

The only time the objection to prostitution has merit for a society IMO is when the society values freedom. The nuclear family is the basis of a free society. Without it, obligations become assumed by the state rather then agreed upon within a family structure.

The nuclear family when balanced harmonizes the yin yang influences in the context of higher spiritual influences making for a healthier collective psych within the family which further sustains the inner quality necessary to sustain a free society.

Part of this relationship is the sexual bond between husband and wife which not only theoretically furthers them but minimizes conflict within the community.

Fo0r a free society to suatain itself, I maintain that the nuclear family be celebrated as a necessary atom of a free society. Prostitution serves to threaten this quality so is not glorified but rather exists in a deglorified capacity.

Now we have entered the stage where a free society is rapidly bcoming a thing of the past so naturally celebration of the nuclear family is considered outdated. So as society devolves towards a slave state the glorified sexuality of prostitution is also glorified as an unconscious means for a quicker devolution.

So the bottom line is that if we no longer value a free society or value the nuclear family that helps sustain it, there is nothing to lose by prostitution since it has already been lost.

Under these circumstances, it is better to leagalize prostitution and go out with a bang so to speak.

Whitetrshsoldier

So you don't consider anybody capable of being independent of the State and of their family? I think you're severely underestimating things when you say this, and even more greatly over-reaching when you say that prostitution destroys ALL families.

You've misunderstood. From a sociological perspective society will be the sum of various influences. I am suggesting that the continuance of a free society requires a sufficient quality of influence that comes from the nuclear family. It truly is the atom of a free society.

The nuclear family accepts obligations to each other as well as to society by bringing a new generation into the society capable of a quality of self respect necessary to adopt the obligations necessary for a free society.

A free society then has values that reflect the importance of the nuclear family one of which is the value of the bond between husband and wife. They both give influences to their offspring as well as to each other that if healthy, willingly adopt the obligations that assure our rights. One of these values is to value preserving the sex of the nuclear family over that of the sex of prostitution.

What? So a prostitute pleasuring a perfectly independent, single man in a consensual manner distant from the protected suburbs of your "nuclear family" is more threatening to freedom than a collective elite dictating what an individual can and cannot do in the privacy of his own home/motel room with another consenting adult?

Guys have been going into bars for years and will continue to do so for a little action even if he pays for it. The question is if we celebrate it.

If we legalize prostitution then we are celebrating sex without discretion.

We have lost the understanding of sex to the degree that we no longer appreciate essential differences between men and women and think them the same.

For example, it was always known that while it is natural for the male to impregnate whatever it finds desirable in body, it is the female to distinguish inner quality. A woman of a certain inner quality will not wish to breed with a man of lesser quality. The women that would breed with anything for money regardless of inner quality were called prostitutes. They were prostituting their potential to discriminate quality in exchange for money.

Women unable to discriminate quality but were just acting normally had nothing to prostitute other then societal morality. There would be a primary attraction to the wallet.

The incentive to glorify prostitution serves to devalue the psych of a woman capable of developing her inner discrimination. I doubt if even one out of a hundred young women have ever become aware of her potential importance of bringing quality into her society through her sexual discrimination. Yet producing quality serves not only to better the individual but serves also as a qualitative influence in society that can allow it to accept the obligations allowing it to remain free.

There's nothing essentially wrong with spending money on some good rump, The point is that society as well as individuals are always changing. So the question becomes how to value prostitution? Do we celebrate it by legalizing it or do we celebrate the unique nature of the nuclear family and the sacrifices it makes in order to preserve the atoms of a free society at the expense of public brothels the celebration of which devalue the nuclear family. I believe it is more advantageous to the psych of a free society to sacrifice the celebration of prostitution by legalizing it nationwide leaving it to the old fashioned way which is private agreements between men and women

whitetrshsoldier wrote:To both Nick_A and Juice:

I personally value the "nuclear structure" of the traditional family. I understand that it often offers financial and emotional support, while simultaneously promoting the best functioning of society.

However, what I cannot support is people attempting to impart their will upon me and my personal choices. I can honestly say that I've never hired a prostitute, been to a strip club only once for my 21st birthday, and don't care for pornography. But I WILL NOT TOLERATE some jerk in Washington D.C. telling me that he knows what is better for me more-so than I do.

Because the truth is there are a lot of people who do these things, friends of mine included, who are very highly functioning individuals, and who's contribution to society far out-paces their "morally superior" counterparts [many of whom are SO MORAL that they are now sitting at home collecting a government paycheck, sucking off of Obama's generous teet; but they'd NEVER be caught watching porn or at a strip club, right?]. I'd say my accomplished friends possess the right moral compass in this case, as they still support themselves, but you would both disagree. So who's right?

Once we allow them to dictate personal morality for any man, how do you suppose we stop them? Where do we draw the line? If it's not at a consensual act between two adults in private, then where is it?

There's a difference between social values and what people do. Legalizing prostitution doesn't effect the guy hiring a girl for an hour. However legalizing prostitution means celebrated national public brothels. Young girls are enticed into it for money and fame as they sacrifice their inner quality so consequently the societal inner quality. If women uphold the quality within society, why glamorize through national legalization what cheapens it for fame and fortune? Why put such a burden on young women to deny fashionable prostitution for the sake of opening to their natural feelings for inner quality and sexual discretion?

It's not a matter of govt. telling us what not to do but of a public recognition of the values that preserve a free society.

Do you ralize that in less then 50 years America will probably be a bankrupt cess pool for selling out the principles and recognition of the obligations that made it a free nation. When a kid asks why did you let it happen, why didn't you defend standards, what will you say? I had my rights.

Scott

Nick_A, it seems to me you are contradicting yourself. How can you on one hand say you support a "free society" and then on the other hand say you want big government regulating the personal, consensual choices of competent adults? How can you oppose the free market so clearly and say you are doing it because you want to keep the free society. That I don't understand.

Preamble to the Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What does the general welfare mean to you? Does it mean providing a welfare state or an environment that is conducive for a person becoming themselves?

The general welfare to me means sustaining an environment that includes promoting the psychological qualities necessary for a society to sustain freedom.

I showed in the thread "Obligations vs. Rights" why it is essential for a free society to have a healthy regard for obligations in order to sustain rights. In order to promote the acceptance of rights it is essential to make certain sacrifices. One of these sacrifices is sexual expression.

Because it is such a volatile energy and an essential part of our being, the means for avoiding its degradation into negative expression must be accepted. One such means is celebrating the nuclear family and minimizing the negative appeal of the hooker.

Promoting the general welfare means promoting what sustains the environment within which freedom can prosper.

Freedom is a double edged coin. We talk about our rights but not our obligations. From the point of view of valuing a free society and the sacrifices necessary to sustain it, there is no reason to celebrate prostitution.

But what I do understand of you argument, Nick_A, is the claim that legalization of prostitution is tantamount to promotion of prostitution. I disagree with this claim. Firstly, as I clearly argued in my other posts in this thread and in the blog post, prohibition of prostitution does not stop prostitution form occurring; prohibition makes prostitution more dangerous and disables us from regulating it. You wouldn't say that having a more dangerous STD-ridden black market filled with many unwilling sex slaves of all ages is more conducive to a 'free society' than a regulated, legal market of consenting adults; would you? Legalization of prostitution doesn't promote prostitution but rather enables us to regulate it and discourages sex slavery, underage prostitution and STD-filled prostitution. To stress this point further, it may currently be legal for one to shove a battery up his own butt and eat lit candles, but I would not say the legalization of those ridiculous activities is tantamount to promotion of them, nor would I say that criminalization of them promotes a free society.

Prostitution cannot be stopped as long as we have something capable of being prostituted. It is human nature. The question is if we celebrate it by legalizing it.

The question is how to minimize it and the psychological as well as physiological consequences.

Only a small part of prostition would occur in a govt. run whore house with pictures of politicians looking down at you saying "wear your condom." But the attractive neon signs will just promote it on the outside free of taxes and governmental interference. All legalizing it will do is to make it more attractive and invite more prostitution out of the Govt. approved brothels. the result will be more STDs

The only way to minimize prostitution is to help people remember the value of obligations by remembering that they are prostituting something of importance. They are selling themselves cheaply in an STD infested whore house.

But since we've lost the religious awakening influence, I don't think it is possible other than for a minority. Society would rather suck them out for the dollars they can produce.

When you legalize prostitution you are not directly promoting it but rather putting it on the same level as other institutions. I'm in a minority but I'd prefer a brothel not being considered on the same level as a hospital even though the trend is to consider them equal in their legality.

Hi Scott

Nick_A, I'm not celebrating prostitution. I am not proposing we celebrate prostitution. I think you are incorrect when you conflate legalization with celebration. For instance, I would definitely support replacing the expensive, ineffective war on prostitution with a less expensive public health campaign similar to what is done with cigarettes and alcohol.

You are suggesting that we battle prostitution by legalizing it. But when you legalize it you are claiming it to be a non threat to the preservation of a free society.

The trouble is that you are treating a psychological problem through public health. It cannot work. The psychological origin is one thing and public health is another. The results of prostitution merely reveal a psychological origin. If you want to honor this psychological origin by surrendering to it and legitimizing it, I cannot see it being helpful no matter how we treat physical conditions.

If prostitution is damaging to the collective psych necessary to sustain free society and a threat to its preservation it has to be admitted for what it is and be kept at a non-respected minimum. Legalizing it IMO is an attempt to win a battle at the cost of losing the war over the collective and individual quality of the human psych.

Juice wrote:I'd stop using toilet paper Alun!:oops: I've had to use grass, leaves and even sand before. If anyone wants lessons on make to make some decent toilet paper from brown paper bags or newspaper just let me know. As I've stated, sometimes one just has to do what is right, not just what feels right.

Being part Russian I can tell you that toilet paper became the primary value of the newspaper Pravda.

Since all things turn in circles, Pravda now is making more sense and reporting things you wouldn't read in the NY times. Read it and weep. Toilet paper takes many forms.


American capitalism gone with a whimper

27.04.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459 -american_capitalism-0

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Stanislav Mishin

The article has been reprinted with the kind permission from the author and originally appears on his blog, Mat Rodina


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Hi Scott

So I will re-ask questions that I originally had asked in a post mainly in response to Juice. What general qualities does any given activity have to possess for you to support criminalizing it and waging an expensive government-run war on it?

In general, any action that damages either the rights of an individual or the social attitudes that preserve a free society.

Obviously murder, assault, theft etc. are worth protecting an individual from. Once we start getting into the gray areas and especially what we decide on that serves to "promote the general welfare" necessary for a free society to function, it is no longer so easy.

I maintain that since the nuclear family is the atom of a free society and that sex energy can either be the creative energy that either leads to the greater good or greater atrocities, society has to have a way of avoiding its prostitution into the attitudes that lead to both the destruction of society and individuals.

How and why this works is a thread in itself and it is something I am hoping to learn if presented properly if I could reach any sort of agreement with an atheist like Thuse.

Since we don't collectively appreciate either the nature of sex or sex energy, it is hard to develop this concern for sex without the usual dogmas. We would think it foolish for example if we believed that the purpose of eating and the digestive process was purely to enjoy it and produce a turd. Yet this is what we believe with sex energy. It either produces a baby and or pleasure. That is as far as our normal thought considers.

It is important enough to me to later present some ideas in the context of Plato's concept of "metaxu" later elaborated on by Simone Weil. So as you see this won't be easy presenting something so unusual in a non controversial manner but I'll give it a shot. If people can just be open to what sustains a healthy societal metaxu, explaining the dangers of the open acceptance of prostitution will be a lot easier.

Juice understands the business and the draining effects on the psych of Man. I do also even if from a different direction.

It doesn't take huge sums of money to deny government brothels. The biggest loss will be in tax revenues. No one is really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. Does it really take money to allow a minority of women to feel as though they have value greater then a prostitute?

Prostitution isn't a governmental problem that exerts its own brand of external morality as much as a moral one experienced by a woman when she supports her personal inner worth. Society can either profit off of her prostitution or support her developing her inner worth.

This is why criminalizing is really in name only. If a woman is held captive as a sex slave in a prostitution ring, the crime isn't prostitution but rather what is happening to the young girl. But if you meet a woman you like in the business and you are willing to meet her price for a fling, don't ask, don't tell. However if a prostitution ring springs up in your neighborhood, its citizens must have the ability to get rid of it.

The bottom line is that you have to first consider your aim for society. I prefer a free society as being best able to create individuality necessary for a free society to sustain itself.

Since I value it I also must value the sacrifices necessary to preserve it. One such sacrifice is the sacrifice of instant gratification for the general welfare.

Women have the capacity to preserve quality in society men are normally incapable of it. For this reason I support what allows them to experience their inner discrimination that is vital to be re-membered for the sake of individuality and societal quality.

Right now prostitution is celebrated in porn. Who is more celebrated then the porn star? Women are being drawn to it as well as other forms of sexual degradation at the expense of developing their inner recognition of objective psychological quality. Just the thought of such considerations is considered naive. Without their input though, we will further sink psychologically into oblivion. No speecjhes can nhelp here. It is psychologically lawful.

The country believes much as you do. I think it is normal for societies that begin to die as ours is doing. I'm not being critical but just realistic. Without the recognition of the importance of honoring the inner qualities that sustain both our inner worth, a free society, and the sacrifices necessary for its preservation, it must die.

pjkeeley

Inner quality is hard to explain since as a whole we've lost our capacity to recognize it since through increased secularization, society doesn't honor it. It is a deep question and one I hope to elaborate on in a separate thread.

But briefly, inner quality for the woman is the developed ability to recognize the inner psychological potential for humanity and individuals as opposed to their image. Since we glorify "image" we are oblivious of what is genuine within human "being" and its potential.

The old fables like the frog and the princess are examples of this relatively forgotten knowledge. The man is a frog simply because he has lost his self awareness for one reason or another and doesn't know what he is so has become a creature.

The princess has the capacity to see behind the image and kiss the essence. She recognizes the quality in man that is obscured by image. This in turn awakens and transforms him so that he can return home taking her with him This is the natural psychological complimentary nature between mind and heart. They work hand and hand to allow the human to regain what has been lost.

This is why a woman with sexual discretion is attracted to more than a fashionable societal image. Yet societal pressure is often so powerful that she loses this discretion. Just like the man has become a creature she becomes one also as a sleeping part of the Great Beast.

It becomes natural for her to adopt an image and prostitution itself is inviting oneself to be screwed as an image.

Without sufficient recognition of inner quality, individuals and society is only appreciated by its image. The more we are governed by image the quicker we die on the inside followed by the slow collective societal death.

This is why I seek to preserve inner quality in women that discriminates between human essence and image. The greater its influence, the greater the awakening influence in Man. The more it prostitutes itself for the profits of image, the quicker we die on the inside followed by the loss of a free society natural for the loss of recognition of human inner quality.

It has been said that self pride is the traditional male sin and vanity is the traditional female sin. We don't recognize how much they dominate us. Foolish pride is one reason men become frogs. Unfortunately, there are not enough princesses around not dominated by vanity and its escapism into wishful thinking to help the frogs. So I seek to give the young women the opportunity to smell the coffee before sinking into vanity so deeply that they lose their capacity to acquire inner discretion that is able to distinguish the worth of human "being" at the expense of the dictates of "image."

whitetrshsoldier wrote:I'm beginning to see your point now, Nick.

I guess I just had to realize that women don't have the right to determine their "inner quality" for themselves. Once they 'discover' your definition of what their value should be they will finally realize their inner psychological potential, and they will finally be "free"!!!

We should just seize all young girls prior to adolescence and place them in what I like to call an "inner quality realization camp". Then we can "help them discover" the ultimate realization that is your decree of their self-worth. Once they fully understand what it is they are to value about themselves, they will finally be liberated from the oppressive socially-imposed misconception they had of themselves as capable of defining their own meaning!!!

A brilliant path to liberty. But I think it's plagiarized from somewhere ... *cough* Mein Kampf *cough*

It's not a matter of rights but rather giving the young and in this case women, the opportunity to acquire inner quality.

You can say let them choose what they want. This is what is happening now. They are following the calling of advertising and a society that seeks to suck out their worth for dollars their secuction can produce.

I think more of the young and their psychological potential to sacrifice them so readily. It is ironic that society seeks to kill the attributes in young girls that are necessary to preserve its freedom. We justify the destruction of their opportunity to "feel" like a woman because we don't respect it. Instead we deny it and rather prefer to encourage them to join the men in impersonating frogs. This may be your way but not mine. I prefer to be part of the efforts that seek to encourage women to develop for themselves and for society their unique potential for the psychological grasp of inner quality rather than selling themselves cheaply which is the definition of prostitution both physical and psychological.

whitetrshsoldier wrote:

Nick_A wrote:You can say let them choose what they want. This is what is happening now. They are following the calling of advertising and a society that seeks to suck out their worth for dollars their secuction can produce.

Yes, I say they should have the choice, regardless of what they choose.

Nick_A wrote:I prefer to be part of the efforts that seek to encourage women to develop for themselves and for society their unique potential for the psychological grasp of inner quality rather than selling themselves cheaply which is the definition of prostitution both physical and psychological.

And you, obviously, prefer to choose for them. Very noble of you, Nick. Their own personal Jesus Christ.

No. Continually choosing for someone leads to slavery while revealing the options necesary for human choice leads to freedom. Do you know the difference?

whitetrshsoldier wrote:

Nick_A wrote:No. Continually choosing for someone leads to slavery while revealing the options necesary for human choice leads to freedom. Do you know the difference?

Nick,

You were the one advocating "choosing for someone". You only concealed this motive by saying that we should indoctrinate these children before giving them the choice.

This is why I ridiculed you.

I advocated revealing the options [without morally loading them] to all so that they could make their own individual choices.

It is you, Nick, who is encouraging the furtherance of slavery and bondage in the name of "morality".

The whole point if that no realistic options are provided. Everything is lip service. We have lost the ability as a society for the older generation to transmit much of inner value to the younger generation. The emphasis is primarily on societal adaptation. but with a sick body and heart, even societal adaptation will require strict government control

Consider diet for a moment. Most would agree that the obesity is a problem for the young in the United States. It is encouraged. You can say that the young have the option to become fat. It is there choice. This just means that the older generation cannot explain meaningfully why diet is important. The reason is that we do not appreciate the psychology of obesity.

If we are this ignorant in matters such as diet, how can we possibly allow the young to open to inner morality?

If we have denied the obligation to provide guidance for physical health since we cannot deal with the psychology that denies it, what makes you think we can provide anything that would guide the young to become capable of opening to inner morality?

You would say it is their choice to deny their health and their inner worth and I say that the preservation of a free society requires opening to the psychology that enables both physical and spiritual health. This means teaching the young what we've sacrificed the understanding of. Not a pretty picture.

The fact that the older generation is quickly losing the ability to pass understanding values on to their young is not contributing to choice but rather is only denying the experiences necessary to make meaningful choice possible.

Demanding choice is one thing and becoming realistically inwardly aware of what we choose between is another.

pjkeeley wrote:Nick_A, we all want people to have as much choice as possible. We also want people to be aware of the consequences of their choices. But the sheer fact is that what you are proposing gives people less choice. Regardless of whether prositution is legal or not, we can still inform people of the consequences of their choices. The difference is that while prostitution will always be a choice some people make, being a criminal doesn't have to be.

How can you inform anyone of the consequeneces of choice if you don't understand yourself? This is the trouble. People are doing a lot of informing but of little substance. All that happens is that the young know it is all BS so without meaningfull alternatives, sink deeper into secular emptiness.

Understanding the consequences of prostitution requires awreness of what if means to sell oneself cheaply. Do you know? Since collectively we don't know, it is east to rationalize and support prostitution. I just cannot go along with the inner destruction of the young through supporting prostitution which by definition means selling oneself cheaply.

The point is that it is imossible to offer choice through ignorance that restricts itself in choice.

Scott wrote:I don't think anyone is "rationalizing and supporting prostitution," Nick_A.

We are supporting the legalization of an activity when consenting, competent adults voluntarily choose to engage in it.

There are many things I strongly discourage but that I still do not want criminalized. Even when I wish people would exercise their freedom differently, I do not want to infringe on their freedom by taking away their free choice and giving it to Big Brother.

Before getting into this, please tell me first why or why not you would encourage your daughter to become a prostitute

pjkeeley wrote:

Nick_A wrote:Before getting into this, please tell me first why or why not you would encourage your daughter to become a prostitute.

Before getting into this, please tell me first how this question is relevant.

The question is relevent because before discussing prostitution, a person has to consider what is being prostituted. Who understands the question of the female body enough to explain it to their fourteen year old daughter?

I once initiated a thread on a secular interfaith site called "God the Pornographer." At that time sexting was beginning to become an issue. Young girls were taking nude or partially nude photos of themselves and sending them to their boyfriends.

No one knew what to say to a young girl about sex or the body other than the usual clichés so the practice became more fashionable.

People decided that the kids have to be arrested for spreading pornography. By definition it means that a young girl's body is pornographic. If you believe in God it means then that God a pornographer for creating the body as it is.

I've never experienced such nasty attacks from secular Interfaith as with this observation. Rather than try to contemplate the issue as a whole, the whole thread sunk into attacks about child abuse for not protecting children. The question of our ignorance in matters of sex was completely ignored.

It was obvious then that since parents had no idea what to say to a young girl, that it must be concluded that their body is pornographic and sexting must become a legal issue. Parents don't know so cannot teach their young so decide that their bodies are pornographic. OK

It became clear that secularism has no idea other than clichés how to discuss sex. It is rare for parents to understand how to deal with their young daughter about the value of their body. Instead, these exponents of secular Interfaith prefer to refer to the act of sending a naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriend as an act of spreading child pornography with legal consequences. What a thing to say to a fourteen year old girl.

Since then it has become clear to me that it is a minority of parents that could deal with the question of sex and the young female body. Secularism prefers passing the buck and defining their bodies as pornographic

So, as an atheist, I'm curious what you would say to your young daughter about entering prostitution or the practice of sexting. Why not?