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October 28th, 2009, 1:53 pm
October 28th, 2009, 4:43 pm
So you don't consider anybody capable of being independent of the State and of their family? I think you're severely underestimating things when you say this, and even more greatly over-reaching when you say that prostitution destroys ALL families.
What? So a prostitute pleasuring a perfectly independent, single man in a consensual manner distant from the protected suburbs of your "nuclear family" is more threatening to freedom than a collective elite dictating what an individual can and cannot do in the privacy of his own home/motel room with another consenting adult?
October 28th, 2009, 6:08 pm
whitetrshsoldier wrote:To both Nick_A and Juice:
I personally value the "nuclear structure" of the traditional family. I understand that it often offers financial and emotional support, while simultaneously promoting the best functioning of society.
However, what I cannot support is people attempting to impart their will upon me and my personal choices. I can honestly say that I've never hired a prostitute, been to a strip club only once for my 21st birthday, and don't care for pornography. But I WILL NOT TOLERATE some jerk in Washington D.C. telling me that he knows what is better for me more-so than I do.
Because the truth is there are a lot of people who do these things, friends of mine included, who are very highly functioning individuals, and who's contribution to society far out-paces their "morally superior" counterparts [many of whom are SO MORAL that they are now sitting at home collecting a government paycheck, sucking off of Obama's generous teet; but they'd NEVER be caught watching porn or at a strip club, right?]. I'd say my accomplished friends possess the right moral compass in this case, as they still support themselves, but you would both disagree. So who's right?
Once we allow them to dictate personal morality for any man, how do you suppose we stop them? Where do we draw the line? If it's not at a consensual act between two adults in private, then where is it?
October 29th, 2009, 9:05 pm
Nick_A, it seems to me you are contradicting yourself. How can you on one hand say you support a "free society" and then on the other hand say you want big government regulating the personal, consensual choices of competent adults? How can you oppose the free market so clearly and say you are doing it because you want to keep the free society. That I don't understand.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
But what I do understand of you argument, Nick_A, is the claim that legalization of prostitution is tantamount to promotion of prostitution. I disagree with this claim. Firstly, as I clearly argued in my other posts in this thread and in the blog post, prohibition of prostitution does not stop prostitution form occurring; prohibition makes prostitution more dangerous and disables us from regulating it. You wouldn't say that having a more dangerous STD-ridden black market filled with many unwilling sex slaves of all ages is more conducive to a 'free society' than a regulated, legal market of consenting adults; would you? Legalization of prostitution doesn't promote prostitution but rather enables us to regulate it and discourages sex slavery, underage prostitution and STD-filled prostitution. To stress this point further, it may currently be legal for one to shove a battery up his own butt and eat lit candles, but I would not say the legalization of those ridiculous activities is tantamount to promotion of them, nor would I say that criminalization of them promotes a free society.
October 31st, 2009, 2:39 pm
Nick_A, I'm not celebrating prostitution. I am not proposing we celebrate prostitution. I think you are incorrect when you conflate legalization with celebration. For instance, I would definitely support replacing the expensive, ineffective war on prostitution with a less expensive public health campaign similar to what is done with cigarettes and alcohol.
November 3rd, 2009, 2:40 pm
Juice wrote:I'd stop using toilet paper Alun!:oops: I've had to use grass, leaves and even sand before. If anyone wants lessons on make to make some decent toilet paper from brown paper bags or newspaper just let me know. As I've stated, sometimes one just has to do what is right, not just what feels right.
November 4th, 2009, 5:52 pm
So I will re-ask questions that I originally had asked in a post mainly in response to Juice. What general qualities does any given activity have to possess for you to support criminalizing it and waging an expensive government-run war on it?
November 5th, 2009, 1:44 am
November 5th, 2009, 11:56 am
November 5th, 2009, 7:57 pm
whitetrshsoldier wrote:I'm beginning to see your point now, Nick.
I guess I just had to realize that women don't have the right to determine their "inner quality" for themselves. Once they 'discover' your definition of what their value should be they will finally realize their inner psychological potential, and they will finally be "free"!!!
We should just seize all young girls prior to adolescence and place them in what I like to call an "inner quality realization camp". Then we can "help them discover" the ultimate realization that is your decree of their self-worth. Once they fully understand what it is they are to value about themselves, they will finally be liberated from the oppressive socially-imposed misconception they had of themselves as capable of defining their own meaning!!!
A brilliant path to liberty. But I think it's plagiarized from somewhere ... *cough* Mein Kampf *cough*
November 8th, 2009, 11:09 am
whitetrshsoldier wrote:Nick_A wrote:You can say let them choose what they want. This is what is happening now. They are following the calling of advertising and a society that seeks to suck out their worth for dollars their secuction can produce.
Yes, I say they should have the choice, regardless of what they choose.Nick_A wrote:I prefer to be part of the efforts that seek to encourage women to develop for themselves and for society their unique potential for the psychological grasp of inner quality rather than selling themselves cheaply which is the definition of prostitution both physical and psychological.
And you, obviously, prefer to choose for them. Very noble of you, Nick. Their own personal Jesus Christ.
November 10th, 2009, 11:35 pm
whitetrshsoldier wrote:Nick_A wrote:No. Continually choosing for someone leads to slavery while revealing the options necesary for human choice leads to freedom. Do you know the difference?
You were the one advocating "choosing for someone". You only concealed this motive by saying that we should indoctrinate these children before giving them the choice.
This is why I ridiculed you.
I advocated revealing the options [without morally loading them] to all so that they could make their own individual choices.
It is you, Nick, who is encouraging the furtherance of slavery and bondage in the name of "morality".
November 11th, 2009, 7:24 pm
pjkeeley wrote:Nick_A, we all want people to have as much choice as possible. We also want people to be aware of the consequences of their choices. But the sheer fact is that what you are proposing gives people less choice. Regardless of whether prositution is legal or not, we can still inform people of the consequences of their choices. The difference is that while prostitution will always be a choice some people make, being a criminal doesn't have to be.
November 12th, 2009, 6:00 pm
Scott wrote:I don't think anyone is "rationalizing and supporting prostitution," Nick_A.
We are supporting the legalization of an activity when consenting, competent adults voluntarily choose to engage in it.
There are many things I strongly discourage but that I still do not want criminalized. Even when I wish people would exercise their freedom differently, I do not want to infringe on their freedom by taking away their free choice and giving it to Big Brother.
November 16th, 2009, 11:08 pm
pjkeeley wrote:Nick_A wrote:Before getting into this, please tell me first why or why not you would encourage your daughter to become a prostitute.
Before getting into this, please tell me first how this question is relevant.