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OTavern wrote:This last point is mere speculation on your part, just as I speculate that there was not nothing, but something greater than space and time existing transcendent to our space time bubble, you speculate that there is nothing beyond it. Both are equally speculative, at least admit that much.
OTavern wrote: Prove they are "fundamental!" How can you possibly conclude that? Time and space are fundamental to your knowledge base, but they may in fact be only a "slice" of a larger reality.
OTavern wrote: Imagine an infinite mind where the thoughts of that mind are akin to visualizations of our minds but so complete that these thought have "substantial existence."
OTavern wrote: We have a scaled down version of this phenomenon in our own thinking. When we visualize or dream, we create a "world" with enough consistency that we can convince ourselves that it could be real. What if the space-time continuum is a "dream" or visualization of an infinite mind.
OTavern wrote: All of the aspects integral to the universe as conceived by this infinite mind come together to create a reality so complete and internally consistent that they are substantial and form the reality of the inhabitants (human beings) of this universe.
OTavern wrote: Hence, as our own visualizations seem real at times, this God-conceived universe is so completely integral from within that it is substantial and apparently "fundamental," but in reality is conceived within a greater, absolute reality, i.e., the mind of God.
OTavern wrote: This conclusion of yours is like saying that asking why your dreamworld exists is meaningless because, you conclude, your dreamworld is "fundamental" and speculating about a dreamer is meaningless because dreams are all there are.
OTavern wrote: Just the fact that we as conscious beings can "image" in our minds is perhaps a clue to a greater instance of this same phenomena, i.e., the mind of God "imaging" the universe.
OTavern wrote: In a sense this is the Hume-Descartes debate writ large. You, with Hume believe that consciousness is merely a stream of images and reality is merely a stream of space-time. I believe our thinker-thought paradigm is a limited transposition or reflection of a "larger" reality.
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August 14th, 2009, 8:39 am
Gearge wrote:Scott wrote: "Why is it so easy to dismiss the existence of gods?"
Well I didn't read all six pages so forgive me if I'm simply repeating people, but I don't think religion is easy to dismiss.
The majority of the earths population follows a belief in some kind of supernatural force, Becouse like the tendency for children to create invisible friends (It has been proven that the same pats of the brain used for this are also used to comprehend faith), people have a tendency to look for answers outside of the natural realm. Even some forms of Humanism believe the human counciuousness is something that science will never comprehend.
How could something easy to dismiss be as sucsessful as it is, it's not simply an answer of following the beliefs of parents as that can hardly explain the rise of religion in the first place (I know thats a skechy point). Nor does it explain how 84% (aprox) of the earths population are religious
August 14th, 2009, 9:35 am
August 14th, 2009, 10:40 am
Juice wrote:As demonstrated it is not easy to dismiss God when considering that one must consider God and then dismiss God. What is interesting is the absolute nature of some of the language without considering how one came to absolute conclusions.
God does not exist since no one can prove that God exists. What proof does one require and from what level of knowledge does the criteria originate and who decides what that criteria should allow to be considered proof that God does not exist?