DanteAzrael wrote:"If you have choice; where do the choices come from? Are you the choices maker, as well as the choice chooser? Do you come upon choices or do you create choices? Do you choose a morning sunrises or does it show itself in spite of you? If you were able to make choices, then why are you limited in your ability to make the sunrise not to rise in the morning? Why are your choices limited to your position in relationship to them?"


Once again, as I've stated before, choice comes from the fact that there are things to choose between. There's no profound explanation for the existence of choice. When there are two things that an individual is facing, he must make a choice between one or the two. It is that simple. That existence of choice comes from there being things in existence. The question would imply there is nothing in existence to choose from.

The question is where do the choices come from, what is the source of the two things that an individual faces in choosing? Does the individual create the choices; or are they independent of the choosers will? This is an important question regarding choice. That there are choices precludes that they are given to be chosen. But, if both choices are given to be chosen, then where is the autonomy of choosing. You are choosing between what is presented before you, but you are not creating choices, you are accepting the options, as needing to be chosen. Saying you have free will within the limits of what is presented before you is not ultimately free. It is bound within the confines of options present.

I think the difference is in our idea of what free means in the having free will. You believe that free will is in your ability to chose between two objects. However, I say that one is not utilizing their will freely confined within the limits of what is presented to them. To truly have free will one would be able to create their own choices. They could be offered a coke or water and choose to drink wine. Kinda like Jesus turning water into wine. Now that's what I call free will. Creating options, not accepting options.


I don't deny reality. Unlike...well...you.

I live in reality and I don't deny it exist in our mind. You believe what you see,hear,taste, and feel is real. I know that all those sentient response to vibrational signals are interpreted and not a true representation of ultimate reality, but a best quess stab at it, so we can function within it.

DanteAzrael wrote:"If you have choice; where do the choices come from? Are you the choices maker, as well as the choice chooser? Do you come upon choices or do you create choices? Do you choose a morning sunrises or does it show itself in spite of you? If you were able to make choices, then why are you limited in your ability to make the sunrise not to rise in the morning? Why are your choices limited to your position in relationship to them?"


Once again, as I've stated before, choice comes from the fact that there are things to choose between. There's no profound explanation for the existence of choice. When there are two things that an individual is facing, he must make a choice between one or the two. It is that simple. That existence of choice comes from there being things in existence. The question would imply there is nothing in existence to choose from.

The question is where do the choices come from, what is the source of the two things that an individual faces in choosing? Does the individual create the choices; or are they independent of the choosers will? This is an important question regarding choice. That there are choices precludes that they are given to be chosen. But, if both choices are given to be chosen, then where is the autonomy of choosing. You are choosing between what is presented before you, but you are not creating choices, you are accepting the options, as needing to be chosen. Saying you have free will within the limits of what is presented before you is not ultimately free. It is bound within the confines of options present.

I think the difference is in our idea of what free means in the having free will. You believe that free will is in your ability to chose between two objects. However, I say that one is not utilizing their will freely confined within the limits of what is presented to them. To truly have free will one would be able to create their own choices. They could be offered a coke or water and choose to drink wine. Kinda like Jesus turning water into wine. Now that's what I call free will. Creating options, not accepting options.


I don't deny reality. Unlike...well...you.

I live in reality and I don't deny it exist in our mind. You believe what you see,hear,taste, and feel is real. I know that all those sentient response to vibrational signals are interpreted and not a true representation of ultimate reality, but a best quess stab at it, so we can function within it.