Logic4All wrote:Alan,
If you took the time to read my argument, you would see that when I was generous to your argument, I said we could at least conclude that your premises can neither be proved nor disproved.


[color=#0000BF]The existence of can not be proved only indicated by a great deal of circumstantial evidence, likewise the nonexistence of God cannot be proved and there is almost no circumstantial evidence for Gods nonexistence in my opinion. Thus I am swayed by these factors to believe in the existence of God[/color]

“Thus it is obvious that this supreme mind, is and must, be beyond human comprehension”

I am actually astonished you wrote down that answer. You are begging the question, you assume the mind of God exists, then attribute non comprehension to it. However, I would request you try and answer again, and without answering with a question.



I must answer it with some question, please dont try and dictate my method of debating!!

Can you comprehend the true size of a blue whale? You will have to stand next to it to realize your tiny somewhat 170 pounds against its two hundred tons

Can you truly comprehend the size of the earths oceans or the earths immense size and almost eternal age,? I do not thing so

Can you comprehend the unimaginable vastness, complexity and age of the universe, of course you cant and neither can I for that matter?

Yet you persist that a infinite eternal entity, if it exists must somehow be comprehensible to mere mortal man, this really perplexes me Martin

Alan, my question is, If a being is beyond human comprehension, how can you comprehend so much about it. Very basic question since you claim to know so much about your God. Please do not dance around it the same way as last time.

"I comprehend nothing about the God entity" other than by the circumstantial very strong evidence that suggests to me that God must exist, that is my position


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I would also like to point out how you are contradicting yourself once again.
“Question: "Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?"

Answer: The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved”

I just said that given the parameters of your personal God, it cannot be proven or disproven, yet you still argue against me?


I could never given an eternity prove to you that God exists to you, "I have no personal God" and surly this should be evident to you by now!! All I can do is present the circumstancial evidence that strongly support the evidence of an Intelligent Designer of the universe


I am a little confused if you actually know what your arguing at this point. It is like playing a game with someone who continually changes the rules. You can create any personal God you like, however thus far, all my arguments hold for the commonly accepted versions of God. Contrary to popular belief, I cannot predict what you are going to say, how can you expect to have a debate if you continually bring up new aspects to your God.


I have said over and over again the God I am proposing is not that of any religion, please take note of that fact, the God of my understanding is the ever existing consciousness that pervades and creates matter, spacetime and energy, the God of the fundamental constants and forces if you like We humans have consciousness, thus it is obvious that somewhere there must be still higher consciousnesses than us, we are not the pinnacle of creation, at some point there must be a supreme consciousness and I refer to this consciousness as the "Superconsciousness" or better known as God by others

I do have a good understanding of why you don’t simply explain this god of course. I realise you would say, my God is beyond human comprehension. Thus neither me nor you can comprehend your God, and there is nothing to talk about.


Can you comprehend it if it existed?

JIDDY20 wrote:YOU DO NOT KNOW IT TO BE TRUE BUT I DO. YOU WILL BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOU MIND, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND.You need your doubts and your Western rational mind is lock into fear. Enjoy the drama of it. It is a part of this fear based illusion. However what I know I know. Please do not project you doubts and fears on me. What is speculation for you is my truth, but of course you do not have to accept it What you believe, is true for you, what I know is true for me. We create our world by our thoughts words and deeds. NOT ALL HUMAN BEINGS FEAR DEATH. EINSTEIN and my grand mother did not. NATIVE AMERICAN SEERS AND SAGES DID NOT. SOME KNOW THAT PHYSICAL DEATH IS JUST A PART OF THE CYCLE OF LIFE WHICH SHOULD BE EMBRACED. THERE IS NO PRIZE AND NO WINNER. The Western linear thinking mind breeds spiritual babies. Maybe that is why Western civilization with its rationality strives for material things and despite achieving it[ usually at the expense of other people] still come up empty. Hence in the last more than fifty years you see the West reaching out for the deep spiritual knowledge of civilizations of the East; that were thriving when people of the West lived in caves. Think that there maybe something that you do not know that if you did know could alter everything. I repeat that life is eternal and death is just an horizon.