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November 18th, 2011, 10:54 am

Alan McDougall wrote:Hi Thanks for the welcome,

I think even given the bad socioeconomics at that time in history I think Hitler was a special case a person who established a hypnotic power over the German masses.

Herman Goering if he had headed the NAZI party would never had the same sway over the German people as Hitler did, he was seen as a more comic politician who would have been mocked by the people.

Hitlers screaming rhetoric seemed to move the people into doing the unimaginably depraved acts such as the Holocuast

Regards

Alan

Hello old friend how are you? I believe I have considered this before. If Hitler had not existed the circumstances that created him and allowed his rise to power would still exist. It may have produced a more cunning and clever despot. He may have not made the mistake of trying to maintain two fronts in Europe. He may have listened to his generals and succeeded in conquering Britain first then Russia. We should not be so keen to change history it may have resulted in even more Jewish deaths and the third Reich existing for a thousand years.

November 19th, 2011, 10:27 am

Hi Alan , how are you?

I often wonder if I could kill someone knowing in the future they were going to be responsible for hundreds of innocent deaths. The idea of prejudging or pre-emptive attacks is a problem we often see in modern politics. Should we bomb Iran or wait and see? Should we kill Mugabe or let nature take it's course? Basic but still the most intriguing of questions.

November 21st, 2011, 6:28 am

Alan McDougall wrote:Hi xris are you well?

I still think if Hitler had never existed that the world might have developed differently.

1)It would have taken the USA longer to become Superpower?

2) It would have taken Germany longer to extradite itself from the effects of the depression?

3) The USSR might still exist and be the most powerful force on earth?

4) Communism might have spread and taken hold over much more of the earth than it did?

5) We would only now have started the Space Race?

6) Nuclear weapons might have not been developed due to the enormous cost of doing so?

xris how about adding a few of your own ideas?

I'm fine thanks Alan.

Germany had developed nuclear bomb.
Germany had succeeded in ruling the world.
Germany had defeated Russia.

Sorry Alan but I can not avoid the consequences of a more ruthless but more intelligent ruler of the Nazi party ruling Germany. The history of Europe created the circumstances of Hitlers ability. Who knows what might of happened, the possibilities are endless.

December 4th, 2011, 8:55 am

Alan McDougall wrote:Quoted post has been deleted.

Alan us white folk killed 10 million souls in the west indies and completely wiped out a race of indigenous peoples in Tasmania. Millions upon millions died in the history of white mans rape of Africa including the concentration camps set up by us Brits to control the Boers. The red skin is still suffering because of the theft of their land and the Africans living in America are a reminder of the countless millions who died forced into the slave trade. Recent history is more poignant but atrocities do not diminish with time they only loose importance to those who have not suffered the consequences. What I abhor is the denial of the holocaust and equally the exploitation by Zionist's, using the jewish suffering to excuse Israels crimes.

December 5th, 2011, 9:10 am

Germany was incapable of financing the military requirements for war, so he made a pact with the Swiss bankers. They agreed to finance his war machine in return for the spoils of war . The Jews always a good source of wealth where selected for more than racist motives to be robbed and destroyed. Anti jewish propaganda gave the Nazis a twisted support for their crimes and created a reason why the German people regarded the jewish community as the enemy within. Can Hitler on his own be held responsible for the sacrifice of so many Jews. Would history have been much different without one individual?

In the 1950s the Swiss issued a commemorative gold medallion. It was found to contain high levels of mercury, as much as can be found in the gold fillings for teeth.

December 5th, 2011, 3:36 pm

Alan I prefer not to select one tribe from another because it can be used both ways.Several of those Jews saved by the british ended up killing their saviours in an attempt to secure Israel. Millions of souls died in the two world wars they all could have made a great contribution or an equally disastrous effect on humanity. Fate is fickle fiend not to be examined too closely.

January 15th, 2012, 9:59 am

Rasonus wrote:The British Empire was far worse than Hitler. I think it's easier to judge others and not ourselves. It's sad though. The British Labor Party might have had enough balls to be as good as the Australian Labor Party if world war II and their own history didn't lift their ego and the "Wests" into a point of ideological imperialism that showed itself naked during the Cold War. Sorry I didn't mean to offend my fellow human beings. I only meant to offend the shells of their cultural egos.

-- Updated Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:12 am to add the following --

The British Empire was far worse than Hitler. I think it's easier to judge others and not ourselves. It's sad though. The British Labor Party might have had enough balls to be as good as the Australian Labor Party if world war II and their own history didn't lift their ego and the "Wests" into a point of ideological imperialism that showed itself naked during the Cold War. Sorry I didn't mean to offend my fellow human beings. I only meant to offend the shells of their cultural egos.

You will have to expand your insults before I can reply.

January 23rd, 2012, 6:21 pm

Theist wrote:Jews are also famous for their claim of being spiritually, morally and genetically superior over the rest of mankind! And this is the most horrific form of racism! Don't believe me, google the truth about the talmud. Google the beliefs of Schneur Zalman a Jewish rabbie who passed away a few years ago.

plus Jews have a disproportionate presence in criminal finance industry, which have been historically responsible for many of financial panics of the modern world including the collapse of 2008. that's because traditionally jews are taught that it's ok to give usury to gentiles but it's forbidden to give usury to fellow jews. Hitler's economy was financed by one of these jewish bankers (Warburg) while soviet union came into existence with another jewish banker (Schiff) funding the bolsheviks to topple their historical enemy the Russian Tsar. By funding both sides of the war against each other bankers design the kind of world order that best matches their agenda. Now they are bent on pushing for another catastrophic war against Iran.

The black slaves were also brought to America on Jewish-owned ships. Jews also dominate the heinous porn industry which is destroying the very foundation of family.

Jewish community have also introduced the most horrific and ruthless war criminals and mass murderers such David Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, and Ariel Sharon of Israel. it takes a google search to know about many heart-wrenching crimes of these criminals against even innocent children and women.

I'm not saying all Jews fall into this category (in fact I have a jewish friend who despises these harmful elements of their community), but it's a fact that the Jewish community has introduced some of the most evil human beings to mankind.

I love to hear you prove the Swiss bankers who backed Hitler were Jewish. Where or where did you get your information about the porn industry. You need to support your attack with evidence or I will fear the worst.

January 24th, 2012, 7:01 am

Theist wrote:oh, sure dear.
there is a widely quoted article in Jewish Quarterly with a Jewish columnist boasting about their role in the porn industry. Since I'm a new user I can't post link in two days to come. But you can locate the article by googling the term: Jewish Quarterly Triple-exthnics

I'm not your dear. I respect your right to give an opinion but you need to back your claims with facts or you will be condemned. So lets hear it please.

Hime, I agree that Jews should be examined just like us all. But grand statements without evidence needs to be confronted. I oppose Israels occupation of Palestine. I will criticise anyone, Jew or gentile, because of their acts not their race. Jews by the act of their oppression over centuries with laws that prohibited them from certain occupations made them turn to money lending. They became insular and with right hated the cause of their oppression. It is the kind stereotyping, we have just observed, that has caused them to be persecuted.

January 25th, 2012, 11:10 am

Theist. If you believe pornography is evil it comes from a personal perspective. It can not be used to condemn Jews in general. I do believe we all are envious of the jewish ability. They have proved more than once their general intelligence is above us gentiles.

The History of jewish massacres in Europe has been well documented and I can hardly blame them for not exactly liking Christians.

So what about these Swiss bankers have you found any evidence that they were Jewish? I am not going to condemn you just yet but you do need to defend your opinions and your statements.

By the way, Italians are all gangsters, Germans are all bullies, the Swiss make cuckoo clocks and the English smell.

January 25th, 2012, 2:39 pm

Hime wrote:Xris
Perhaps if you really are Cornish there's a reasonable basis for your statement that " I do believe we all are envious of the jewish ability. They have proved more than once their general intelligence is above us gentiles"
but I don't think most English would consider the statement anything other than racist! If it's clever to create mayhem amongst citizens of the Planet and cause the death of millions, including their own 'peasant class, for pure greed and a 'superiority complex' of the 'Elite', then you maybe right. Personally I think the world would have been a better (more equal) World without the Higher Ranks of the Jews. A Definition of 'intelligence' might help?

So how do you judge intelligence? The Germans killed 7 million Jews are they cleverer or just stupid?

January 26th, 2012, 7:15 am

I would love to confront certain poster here but I would be banned. As I have said before I detest the Zionist occupation of Israel but this sick references to Jews in general is not about debate.

January 26th, 2012, 12:14 pm

Typist wrote:
Xris wrote:I would love to confront certain poster here but I would be banned.

Ok, you would love to confront a certain poster, based on some value system which you hold. This perhaps raises a question....

Do you respect your own value system enough to risk being banned from one of over a million forums on the Internet? That is, how much do you value your own value system?

This is the question the people of the world faced as Hitler began the oppression of Germany, and then his expansion outwards. They had to ask themselves, were they really willing to fight for what they believed in? Or would they accommodate Hitler in order to avoid a conflict which might cost them dearly?

Looking back with the benefit of hindsight history, we assume the decision and eventual success was obvious. But it wasn't at all clear at the time. Those who confronted Hitler risked everything, and millions of them paid the ultimate price for their defiance.

Typist I can reason with certain people but others I would rather act violently to. I can not do that here so I am ham strung. Violence? yes violence is my only response to a fascist with a christian banner. They ignore the piles of spectacles, the films of innocent children crying for their mothers. Women stripped bare hoarded into gas chambers. Train loads of Jews herded like cattle, casually abused old ladies. My father liberated one camp and I can tell you he would bayonet anyone who denied the jewish suffering. Yes you can debate with their ignorance if you like typist but I would rather kick their heads in. We drove those brown shirted scum of our streets once we will do it again if necessary.

January 26th, 2012, 12:43 pm

Typist wrote:
Xris wrote:Typist I can reason with certain people but others I would rather act violently to. I can not do that here so I am ham strung.

For the record, just to be completely clear, I am NOT suggesting physical violence. Only rhetorical violence.

To be specific, if Theist keeps posting the Nazi propaganda, I'm asking us to not debate his points, but to instead make it clear he's not welcome here. That's my proposal. Provide no welcome to Nazi sympathizers.

Perhaps the situation will resolve itself on it's own without further discussion.

As an ex soldier violence has it's place in confronting certain aspects of life. It may not be the best way but the only way.
It is this type of propaganda that Zionists use to their advantage in abusing the Palestinians. It annoys me because the jewish lobby has support in US politics but hanging all these sickening garbage on to that fact, does not help the Palestinian cause. Maybe our friend is a Zionist stooge.

-- Updated Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:49 am to add the following --

Hime wrote:" That's my proposal. Provide no welcome to Nazi sympathizers"

Isn't it a bit pointless if a debate/argument excludes a strong supporter of one of the debaters?
Is the 'method' of killing people all that is relevant. Dropping a bomb on Hiroshama? was that OK? 'We did that without doubt?!
Have you heard - I come and stand (The Byrds)?

We? The US dropped the A bombs but it is proposed more would have died if they had not. There is nothing nice about war only victory secures the peace. I can debate and I can become angry, I am angry.

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