Xris wrote:Fanman, Parro all you are doing is reaffirming your faith nothing more. No one can disprove god just as no one can disprove fairies but who would be so bold as to claim god or fairies as proven by their personal experience? When will you both understand that for an atheist to prove to you that fairies exist he would need as much physical evidence as we require from you that god exists. Can you not get your head around the fact that your belief in the bible has no relevance. I am not sure if I am mad even attempting to explain to you that the bible for an atheist is a book of myths and legends with no factual accounts or proof that god exists.

Hello Xris,

Facts in science are sometimes replaced with other "facts" as is one's experiences in life. I am in awe of morning and evening that God said HE created. Morning and evening etc. are facts and so far dependable. I believe I read you once had faith in God. What happened? Did it have something to do with losing your best friend? I am not being flip, I would really like to know what changed your mind.

Xris,

You said " What I have kept is the original message from the man Jesus". Please explain

Xris

You wrote "It was in the end a simple question of why would a god considered as loving and benevolent leave a child to die alone and in pain."

Is this a personal experience of someone you know or loved, or a child in general?

My first baby was born at 6 months gestation and he lived 30 hours then died. I know his death was not easy because a preterm baby suffocates, as the lungs are not fully developed. But It helps me to believe he is with a creator that loves him. Does your non belief of God, or a belief in nature, fairies or other entity make a child's death any easier to accept? Is a child's death better understood by you now that you don't believe in God? How does not believing in God change a child or anyone for that matter having pain and dying? You are accepting there is no God and for no apparent reason people suffer and die but non belief makes it better?

I do have to ask - do you really believe in fairies or is this a comparison to believing in God? If you really do believe in fairies, where did you learn of this?

Xris wrote

Jklint wrote:

Xris wrote: Fairies, why do you doubt they exist? I hope you do not say that out loud, another fairy may die. Who paints the daisies for goodness sake? On a certain spring morning when the mist lies in the valley Pans pipes drift into my dreams and seduces my soul. How can I not believe in those spirits that dance to the rhythm of life?

I do not think you believe in fairies and I do not think you want to have a serious conversation. As far as the color (who paints the daisies) of daisies or any other plant is of course in the seed of their kind.

Good morning All,

I do not think you believe in fairies and I do not think you want to have a serious conversation. As far as the color (who paints the daisies) of daisies or any other plant is of course in the seed of their kind.[/quote]

Misty why are you claiming I am not serious? Angels have wings are they any different? Why should you find my beliefs unbelievable but expect me to believe yours? You want me to believe that god made everything in seven days but fairies don't paint the daisies.From an objective position you could be classified as being slightly flippant.

Xris,

Tinkerbell and such do not give any answers or reason why the universe IS. Fairies, leprechauns, are the current argument for atheists, and is nothing new. The concept of God and the bible do give humans some answers and hope. You can believe what ever you have come to discern is true for you but that does not negate other people to have the same right. Remember on another topic I asked you what happened to you and you told me about your best friend dying among other things? I was compassionate with you. When I told you about my child who died you offered no compassion, just in a hurry to attack. That is is difference between my belief and yours. You are so angry at your maker that you dump on your fellow humans. I cannot make you understand, that is between you and your maker. Xris, you come off sounding like a person with a heart of rock. You never TRY to understand what anyone else believes because you are on the attack at all times. Offer me something that brings some hope to the world without attacking those who try. Nothing you have argued about offers anything beyond that you are mad at God. I already know what you are going to say!

[quote="Xris"]Misty we all have our sorrow and our stories. Did you tell me yours to get sympathy or make point? I believed it was only used to make a point so why should I give sympathy when you believe your god has no reason to interfere in any child's plight. When thousands of children die every day without gods assistance and you worship that god, why should I not be angry? I am not angry at god, he does not exist. I am angry at this strange attention christians have to a god that bares no resemblance to the proclaimed benevolent god you all claim exists. This arrogance I see displayed does increasingly anger more and more people. The days of the faithful being treated like the golden calf are over Misty. I suggest you get used to it. Fairies, angels who with any logical reasoning would treat one differently to the other?

Thank you Xris for answering as expected. Yes, all have stories, like you did and enjoyed telling it. You received personal compassion. I was not seeking sympathy nor did I want it. What I wanted to find out is if YOU could be compassionate on a personal level and I learned you could not, so I do not believe your ranting about caring about millions of people. This topic is 'Can you disprove God' and you have not offered anything concrete. You don't acknowledge any truth, i.e. that plants color is in the seed. How can anyone take you serious when all you do is misinterpret what others say? Your anger leaps off the page everywhere I have seen you post. Xris, I never heard or seen Christians being treated like a golden calf, and they would not allow it because the golden calf represents wrong doing. If you put the energy you use to ramp and rave about the beliefs of others, making untrue accusations, making silly comparisons that have nothing to do with the topic, and make some real alternative belief you would be taken seriously. I will not answer you again if you don't present something relative to the topic. Stop being so predictable!!!!!!

Xris,

Are you sure you are a X-christian as most Christians know a day is like 1,000 yrs to God - so is 7,000 years long enough to create the earth?