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Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

August 14th, 2012, 12:24 pm

Yes, they're called "vitamin b12 supplements". It's always a good idea to take a variety of them. Note: vegans have been around for millennia & B12 deficiency isn't common. In the past, vegans got their B12 by eating insects caught up in plants. In today's world, our food is cleaned of...

Re: Vegetarians & Sympathizers: What about the Wild?

May 2nd, 2012, 10:48 am

I honestly see no issue here. Veganism & related ethical stances are about reducing human & animal suffering, within a carefully delineated sphere of human influence. Same as how medicine is about reducing suffering, or how pacificism is about reducing suffering to a point . None of these et...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 22nd, 2012, 4:07 pm

[quote="Xris"]You may judge me as you must Insext but I am a realist and I have no high expectations that my fellow man will be take much notice of you or I. [quote]

Huh? Dewd, I was just agreeing with you.
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 22nd, 2012, 3:34 pm

Xris wrote:We are not a very nice species.


Indeed! Life isn't "nice" either. But it appears that we have some sort of control over ourselves & the ability to make moral choices. It's just spitting in the ocean, but.... we can't seem to help "doing" something, either.
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 22nd, 2012, 3:10 pm

(quote not shown) That's beside the point, there's no pain / pleasure in "species" that's not covered by what the members of the species individually go through. I don't understand your point. "Species" is just another way of classifying a group of individuals. (quote not shown) ...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 22nd, 2012, 10:50 am

(quote not shown) Sublingual. Even my little boys will alllow a small pill to dissolve under their tongues.-- Updated February 22nd, 2012, 7:59 am to add the following --(quote not shown) Disagree. This is like saying a crowd of people don't have an interest & can't feel pleasure or pain. "...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 4:59 pm

(quote not shown) The animals will be wild. As for income, this is what people hunting tigers (or gorillas, or rhinos, or... or... or..) into extinction complain about. There are always alternatives, even if it's just a government hand out. (quote not shown) I'm not sure what you're talking about. (...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 4:11 pm

(quote not shown) I'm finding it hard to understand why you don't see how environmental protection (of animals, people & ecology) isn't a direct moral issue. It is perhaps THE moral issue of our times. (quote not shown) There are lots of possibilities, al less harmful. Hemp would be a major repl...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 3:43 pm

Xris wrote:I am refering to using the economic argument to stop eating meat as a moral issue.


Is is less environmentally expensive to grow & distribute non-animal foods than animal foods. Animal foods have a higher ecological impact & therefore a higher expense.
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 3:24 pm

Describe a circumstance in which economics is not affected by moral concerns. I can't think of one.

And "efficient laws" for some vegitarians would mean banning the meat & fishing industries...

Re: Unfreedom (or "The System of Nature")

February 21st, 2012, 2:32 pm

dparrott wrote:Xris, again thanks for posting those videos, it’s a scary thought that science is becoming like the church in the medieval period.


Impossible. Science is peer reviewed with repeatable experiments.
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 1:14 pm

(quote not shown) Yes they are. You have to get what you need from somewhere - how do you get it? Enter moral issues. (quote not shown) There are laws. But they don't adequately protect the animals, human health or the environment. (quote not shown) In the past, people got B12 from the dirt & in...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 12:44 pm

(quote not shown) It's a biological fact that you can feed more people with the grain given to cattle than you can feed people with grain-fed cattle. Improving animal husbandry is fine, but unlikely when money matters more than animal pain, local & global environment, & human health. Of cour...
Insext

Re: Horses in Bullfigting

February 21st, 2012, 11:32 am

Good question. Clearly, hunting/fishing is more harmful than racing, as the animal is killed, so the activity is more objectionable. But of course, there's a big difference between hunting, say tigers versus bears or bears versus rabbits or rabbits versus rats due to the weakness or strength of numb...

Re: Unfreedom (or "The System of Nature")

February 18th, 2012, 1:03 pm

(quote not shown) My opinion on the above: 1 is kind of true but needs more discussion. Please demonstrate - what parts of a person aren't material (e.g. made up of quanta, atoms, chemicals, cells, biological systems)? (quote not shown) Agreed. Let's modify 2 & 3 to say: 2. All changes in materi...
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