Florestan wrote:Hi Kingcool

I don't think that this is a ridicilous issue. I agree with you completely. But it is still an issue. For example: Do heterosexuals have the right to judge homosexual lifestyle? This is a question not completely clear. For example if a 50 year old homosexual man has an affair with a 17 year old teen should I say: "Well this is a matter of homosexuals, I will not judge that." or should I say: "This may be a matter of homosexuals, but even if I am not homosexual I think it's wrong for such an old homosexual to have an affair with such a young teen."

For me this is the most interesting question. And I doubt wether it is a very "progressive" view if you say: homosexuality is a matter of homosexuals. This may be very "progressive" but on the other hand by saying this you also somehow isolates homosexuals as if they would be persons from another star. My personal view: There must be some kind of common talk about ethical matters even of sexual behaviour in the society. To which extent this is exactly the question. I think this is a matter of balance but where is the balance?

The other issue is religion. Your point of view is the same as it is in the relationship of heterosexuals and homosexuals. The religious people must know for themselves and the gay people must know for themselves. Again: This is not my point of view, the matter is much more complicate.

You have religious gay people. For example the most popular German comedian is gay. And he is religious. And he has done the wonder which didn't happen for generations that he has written a number one bestseller about religious topics. And I must say: I personally regard religious gay people very high. But by doing that I have also a responsibility ( I am member of the Katholic church as this comedian) that these people are treated in a responsible way.

This may not apply to religious sects and everyone has the right to believe what he wants but I expect great churches like the Lutheran church and the Katholic church to behave in a reasonable way in this matter. And by the way I don't remember that Jesus has ever said something derogative about gays or gays behaviour. And I would argue that way in a Christian context.

So you see, it isn't at all that simple and I think this is an important discussion.

Regards Florestan

I'm not sure why "god" continues to be inserted into this discussion.

wanabe wrote:

Kingkool wrote:Because the old testament says being gay is sinful.
Most people believe it to be wrong because of their religion.

Ok good, so would all the religious zealots who believe that homosexuals are going to hell, would you all please announce yourselves. Share with us where in your text specifically it says that being homosexual is a sin, and you will go to hell(or some horrible negative thing).

In the old testament there is no hell(as in the Jewish belief). In the new testament Jesus forgives all sins.

What is the religious issue?

dparrott wrote:

Kingkool wrote:

wanabe wrote:

Kingkool wrote:Because the old testament says being gay is sinful.
Most people believe it to be wrong because of their religion.

Ok good, so would all the religious zealots who believe that homosexuals are going to hell, would you all please announce yourselves. Share with us where in your text specifically it says that being homosexual is a sin, and you will go to hell(or some horrible negative thing).

In the old testament there is no hell(as in the Jewish belief). In the new testament Jesus forgives all sins.

What is the religious issue?

If thats truth then there is no point in being religious because everyone will spend eternity in paradise. And to me, knowing i will spend all of eternity doing the same thing is hell.

Only people who have faith that Jesus saves all sins, is what wanabe forgot to put kingkool, but he is right.