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Xris wrote: If I had choice I would explore the torus universe. It has so much more to explore.
March 20th, 2012, 11:18 pm
Xris wrote:Amakatura Murou wrote:Xris wrote: If I had choice I would explore the torus universe. It has so much more to explore.
It seems as though the Torus Universe, which I found Xris also discussing on another site which helped me find a better understanding of the theory, is also based on concepts is it not? just like the BBT?
Yes of course it is a concept but it does not come with all the false certainty the BB enrages. I have no problem with concepts only the dogmatic attention certain believers hang on them.
March 21st, 2012, 9:21 am
March 21st, 2012, 9:35 pm
Xris wrote:Well I am of the opposite opinion I think the BB has nothing going for it. Space and time can be confined without the need of an expanding universe. All this talk of fluctuations are without foundation. They exist only in imagination.Teralek wrote:I'm not saying they are wrong or right... I'm saying the BB is the more likely explanation after reading everything (well not everything literally).
There's just too many things supporting BB. Eternal Universe has more assumptions.
There is no other explanation for the entropy.
Even many people who criticize current BB theory, are merely saying that space/time is infinite and always was, what happens is several BB occurring in this vastness, forever. Matter explosions from quantum fluctuations in space.
March 21st, 2012, 11:57 pm
March 22nd, 2012, 8:19 am
Xris wrote:There is I believe a difference between a void where there is nothing and the concept of nothing. Nothing as a concept can not exist. That is another reason not to accept the BB. If the universe started "X" years ago what preceded that point? If it was something then the universe has always existed if it is the concept of nothing then the universe has always existed. No one can be as naive as to believe nothing can exist. If you have a box with absolutely nothing in it, does the box exist?wanabe wrote:Amakatura Murou,
Nothingness(physical) has its own properties, but I don't think that makes it something, it's the absence of something. If you speak of nothing to include non-physical things than yes nothing is something.
March 22nd, 2012, 12:27 pm
Xris wrote:You must tell me are you refering to a space with nothing in, like my box, or the concept that people assumed existed before the BB. There is concept that asks can a true nothingness exist. Where space and time do not exist. Beyond the frame work of human imagination.
March 23rd, 2012, 10:38 pm
Teralek wrote:Xris wrote:Teralek wrote:Xris wrote:Well I am of the opposite opinion I think the BB has nothing going for it. Space and time can be confined without the need of an expanding universe. All this talk of fluctuations are without foundation. They exist only in imagination.
... quantum fluctuations are real... they were observed... in the Casimir effect, Van der Waals bonds and the lamb shift
people tend to be very dogmatic about stuff... many things are possible... we are just great apes who think they know already how "God" made the fabric of reality.
Teralek, this sounds like arrogance from an ignorant mortal but I doubt the conclusions quantum science makes from its observations. Quantum observes and invents concepts to answer the observations. If it can not find a cause for any event it creates strange and illogical conclusions. I stick my neck out and say they are fundamentally wrong with their conclusions and the concepts they have invented.
That's brave of you and I admire you for that. I too have my unorthodox views. Keep doing your own thinking but don't forget to look at what reality as to teach you.
March 24th, 2012, 9:25 pm
James S Saint,
You assume I thought little about it. Matter is anything that has mass and takes up space, every definition of matter shares this in common.