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Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 17th, 2012, 2:16 pm

(quote not shown) Whoops -- as someone who tries to argue for accurately use of words according to accepted and clearly defined definitions, I've blown it this time. I did not mean "forum": I meant to ask if we should launch a new topic (or more) within this Epistemology and Metaphysics fo...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 17th, 2012, 12:01 am

(quote not shown) Did I really? I can't find it, and don't remember it. If I did, I've certainly shifted :) I swear I saw it, but I just reviewed your posts and can't find it again. (I will admit it surprised me greatly at the time.) (quote not shown) I agree, -ish. If Belinda accepts the position. ...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 13th, 2012, 7:11 pm

(quote not shown) Belinda, I'm reading between the lines that if you were to accept McDoodle's and my own watered down definition of free-will, as something like liberty as you define it, then you could go along with much that we are arguing, including that human decisions CAN affect the future -- b...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 12th, 2012, 11:23 am

(quote not shown) This is the definition of 'Free Will' that philosophical determinists deal with .Voluntarism as the explanation of compatibilism is not a sound argument because my will is caused to be whatever it is. It is important that Free Will is understood as absolute cause of itself, because...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 11th, 2012, 11:16 pm

(quote not shown) This is easy to say for someone who believes whole heartedly in determinism. But for people who believe in free-will it is not a telling argument. Taking the position that free-will is something people experience all of the time and something that is acknowledged within the languag...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 10th, 2012, 12:01 pm

(quote not shown) I'm not sure I like the argument that if there is no free will, people are better off and more moral. Without free will, you also cannot reasonably accept responsibility -- that has to be bad. With no free-will, all of that moral stuff goes overboard, doesn't it? Charity and forgiv...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 9th, 2012, 5:52 pm

(quote not shown) Anylitical1-10, I do think you are wrong, if you make your definition of free-will as total as you do. To start with, you claim that it gives you absolute freedom to feel whatever you choose to feel. However, I don't think anyone can choose their feelings -- they come unbidden. You...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 6th, 2012, 6:31 pm

(quote not shown) Earlier in this forum you made a similar political point (quote not shown) I can't agree with you on your political point. I believe that Calvinists in the 17th century are viewed as rather heavily into determinism, but I'm not aware that they had enlightened codes of punishment, w...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 5th, 2012, 10:17 pm

(quote not shown) Thanks for this example. It clarifies for me something I hadn’t really thought about. You applauded me for ceding that area ‘C’ (where free-wilI operates totally on its own) does not seem to be very real: what types of behavior correspond to it? I do agree that most human actions a...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 2nd, 2012, 10:46 pm

(quote not shown) But I don't see absolute free Will as a realistic probability regardless of how it may be logically possible, as a transcendent God is logically possible.I think I do understand now what it is that you are referring to as free will.You are correct that what I think of as free Will ...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

June 1st, 2012, 11:39 pm

(quote not shown) Thanks, Belinda, for your thoughtful reply. You've persuaded me to check the article on free-will in the online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, which is written by Timothy O'Connor of Indiana University and looks at first reading to be a fairly comprehensive account of philosp...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

May 31st, 2012, 11:30 pm

(quote not shown) Somehow I don't think I will persuade you, Belinda, of my argument, but I want to articulate it as clearly as I can so that other readers on this site -- including myself -- can see it laid out and judge whether it has merit. I'm making my distinction between causes and reasons bec...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

May 29th, 2012, 6:54 pm

I see what you are saying, Belinda. My response lies in the argument I made recently in this forum (May 26th, 2012, 11:55 pm) when I called for distinction between causes of a decision on the one hand, and reasons for the decision on the other. Causes are the classic unrecognized motives that fit in...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

May 28th, 2012, 11:56 am

I'm seeing shades of grey in Belinda's argument that aren't present in the same way in McDoodle's argument -- or my own, which I think mirror's McDoodle's in many ways. Belinda seems to draw absolute distinctions between fatalism and determinism, and between liberty and free-will. To me, and I suspe...

Re: Free-Will and Causality - Can there be both?

May 27th, 2012, 6:08 pm

(quote not shown) Yes! If there is a fraction of uncaused-ness there is Free Will. I am differentiating between attainable freedom on one hand , and the fraction of uncaused-ness on the other.I am claiming that there are ethical and logical reasons for choosing to trust the attainable freedom and no...
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