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June 3rd, 2012, 9:57 am
Beauty is difficult to define. Can we distinguish between a recognition of the beautiful not based on personal interests (that flower reminds me of my mother's garden) from a 'pure beauty'? If a 'pure beauty' exists is it true for all mankind across educational and cultural boundaries? Considering the nebulous nature of the concept one is better off simply pursuing one's art without second thoughts.
June 13th, 2012, 9:12 am
Prismatic wrote:Gamnot wrote: I saw a documentary on television several years back in which Anthropologists did research on what characteristic if any has the quality of being universally attractive to males. They discovered one female feature that males of all different cultures respond to positively. In fact it could be mostly an unconscious attraction. It should be no surprise that it is the waist-hip ratio of females. The smaller the waist-hip ratio irregardless of other features, the more the attractiveness. Marilyn Monroe had that particular characteristic as well as other movie stars.
On the other side of the coin, there is an universal attractiveness feature on the part of males also. I believe it is shoulder size or something like that.
Or perhaps something lower.
I think you're both confusing beauty with animal attraction. While I would agree facial beauty, probably associated with symmetry, is existent one's inclination, when observing the human body is so tied to sexuality that beauty in any pure sense has little to do with one's judgment.
November 22nd, 2012, 6:11 pm
When Picasso made the controversial but pithy statement, 'All art is a lie",he was referring to it etymologically; from artifice, in so far as it mimics or takes the place of the reality we know to be.
Truth in art is necessary for it to resonate with who we are. Without a personal connection of some sort, experientially or imaginatively, art would be without meaning. The truth lies in the connectivity of the art work to each one of us who are able to appreciate it.
Truth in art is necessary for it to resonate with who we are. Without a personal connection of some sort, experientially or imaginatively, art would be without meaning. The truth lies in the connectivity of the art work to each one of us who are able to appreciate it.
November 23rd, 2012, 11:15 pm
Jklint wrote:
That would imply that truth in art is very much a subjective experience, a verification of its value by its corresponding emotional impact. In that sense truth as a feedback medium can exist in any guise not least as a religious experience whose "subjective truth" can be annulled by its objective counterpart. .
I would be more inclined to call truth in art inter-subjective: The truth is there to be found by any sensitive thinker, not simply in a spiritual/aesthetic or emotional response but a cerebral one as well.
December 2nd, 2012, 6:16 pm
The thinking individuals that we all are make value judgments. When it comes to dogs, one with a loud bark makes a good watch dog, an energetic one will run with me, a small one suits my limited living space.
When it comes to art our judgments might be trite and superficial (that blue painting would look nice over my couch), personal (that landscape reminds me of my family home), aesthetic or intellectual. In the final case our judgments are made on the basis of what we understand to be or could be or is imaginable. Artworks we judge to be superior broaden our perspectives, enhance our understanding, soothe our aesthetic sensibilities and in these ways offer truth.
When it comes to art our judgments might be trite and superficial (that blue painting would look nice over my couch), personal (that landscape reminds me of my family home), aesthetic or intellectual. In the final case our judgments are made on the basis of what we understand to be or could be or is imaginable. Artworks we judge to be superior broaden our perspectives, enhance our understanding, soothe our aesthetic sensibilities and in these ways offer truth.
December 3rd, 2012, 11:26 am
Jklint wrote:
Every language has its limitations. In English a structural deficiency exists in the word truth which in other languages may have more connotations or approximations in regard to the relative values of Truth. In English the word has to be constantly defined, redefined or qualified because there is only one term for it.
We can distinguish between absolute truths and relative truths. The second may occur to each individual on a personal level. These truths may fluctuate, strengthen or weaken with one's on-going experiential development. These are the truths art has the potential to address. When one assigns a positive judgment to a work of art it may well be on the basis of recognition of a personal meaningfulness one would be hard put to call anything but a truth.
December 4th, 2012, 6:27 pm
fleetfootphil;
I would argue there are no absolute or universal truths. If one accepts this premise we are left with relative truths which are, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, subjective. However, there are truths embraced by many that I would characterize as inter-subjective. That is, there is a certain common ground of belief, truths if you will, shared by a significant number of people. In an art context certain aspects of aesthetic beauty would, imo, fit this category.
I would argue there are no absolute or universal truths. If one accepts this premise we are left with relative truths which are, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, subjective. However, there are truths embraced by many that I would characterize as inter-subjective. That is, there is a certain common ground of belief, truths if you will, shared by a significant number of people. In an art context certain aspects of aesthetic beauty would, imo, fit this category.
December 5th, 2012, 11:13 am
Beliefs are truth to the believer. However faulty, irrational and/or biased a persons thinking may be, the belief they have arrived at is truth for them until they learn otherwise.
imo, there are consensual truths of this type, based on common experiences and sound reasoning that I would call inter-subjective; many people would respond positively to a rose in full bloom; there would be a shared truth in it's beauty.
imo, there are consensual truths of this type, based on common experiences and sound reasoning that I would call inter-subjective; many people would respond positively to a rose in full bloom; there would be a shared truth in it's beauty.
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