Belindi wrote:Spectrum wrote:
As for now we need to attentive to the children and if children like Jazz [video above] who showed signs of transgenders at a very early age, the parents should be more understanding in accommodating to the children with the help of child psychiatrists and counselors.
What are "signs of transgenders"?
I presume that what you mean is those behaviours that the child in question evinced, which were different from the behaviours that people from his society, who shared the same culture of beliefs and prejudices as the child's significant others, would regard as inappropriate to his physical sex.
You are still conflating and confusing the issue.
I am not referring to beliefs and prejudices arising from cultural and social thinking.
There is an inherent and distinct mode of physical and mental difference amongt the majority within the animal kingdom, i.e. what is general distinguish as male and female.
The male and female has distinct physical features [this is obvious] but the males and females in the animal kingdom also has distinct behavioral differences.
For example, very young female and male chimpanzees behave differently, i.e. the males are more aggressive and involve in more play fighting than the females. There are other noticeable distinct traits and behavior between males and females in the animal kingdom. This distinct difference has nothing to do with cultural and social expectation of the elder chimpanzees. These basic distinctions are merely instinctive.
The basic distinctions in behaviors with the animal kingdom, especially the primates are also present in the humans [i.e. same ancestors evolving in parallel]. As I had stated very young males -boys [innocent without influence of society and culture] behaves distinctively different from the very young average females.
I noted you do not seem to acknowledge this fact, i.e. not seeing the 500 pound gorrilla because your mind is tuned to something else which is off topic.
You did , actually, agree with me to use the word 'gender' to apply (for the purposes of this conversation) to the that any given society allocates to biological males or females.
I am not sure on this point?
I have used gender in this format;
http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/ ... 89#p293589
- 1. Gender - biological and physical differences between male and female.
2. Gender - mental, psychological, emotional differences
3. Gender - cultural and social constructs
The child in question chose which roles in society he-she would do. For some reason the child in question was able to chose , but the brother of the child was not able to chose to be so unusual. Thus far we agree, Spectrum.
The brother was normally programmed as a physical male with male mental and psychological programs, so that the brother is male [physically and mentally] all the way, so that is no confusion in his mind and thus there was no question of him having to choose anything.
Where we differ is that while I ascribe the child's behaviour to social influences, you ascribe the child's behaviour to inherently biological influences.
It is commonly understood that authoritarians believe that the human is fixed as God or nature made him; while liberals believe that the human is very much as product of his social habitat.
That I believed 'the child's behaviour to inherently biological influences' is based on scientific evidence and fact. Wonder why are you denying this?
It is very intellectually dishonest to ignore this fact.
I agree a child's behavior can be influenced by social and cultural factors. A male child that is brought up surrounding only by females is likely to behave in a very feminine manner but if his male [psychical and mental] is strong he is like to sway towards 100% macho maleness when he reached puberty.
What prevails must be the scientific facts.
What the religious [doctrinal] and liberal [ideology] believe is based on rigid and dogmatic thinking and they ignore the scientific facts.
The upshot of the authoritarian/biological stance is to legislate for sameness among humans: the liberal/cultural stance results in acceptance of difference among individuals.
Nah, both the authoritarian/biological and liberal/cultural [albeit on opposite ends] are ignorant of the real facts and end up torturing the transgenders directly and indirectly with various forms of sufferings.
If the society's prevailing culture of beliefs is liberal/cultural all individuals have a wide choice among acceptable behaviours. On the other hand, if the society's prevailing culture of beliefs is authoritarian/biological all individuals are required by society to fit the same narrower range of behaviours.
So-called 'racism' and fear of foreigners fits with the latter culture of beliefs.
As I had said currently we do not have the knowledge and competence, so we let whoever makes the most noise get their way.
The liberal will want the transgenders to get their way but at the same time exposing them to the possibility of torture and death by the anti-transgender.
I am a very concerned citizen of humanity and I have strove to find solutions to the dilemma of the transgender problem by suggesting effective solutions in the future when we have the necessary knowledge and competence to deal with the birth defect of Gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder (GID).
-- Updated Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:26 pm to add the following --
[b]Burning ghost[/b] wrote:NOTE: Peterson's remark at 8 mins about "novelty" being presented as "bias".
The problem related to the transgenders is amplifying and expanding.
In Peter Jordanson's case, it is a question of free speech, he does not want to be compelled to use words by Law when addressing another person.
Jordanson as a Canadian Professor [as with others] is now compelled by Law -Bill C16 - to obey what his students demand of what pronouns they should be called.
Thus if his student, a transgender demand 'it' be addressed as 'Zer' instead of 'her' then he has to obey Zer's wishes. If Jordanson do not address that person as 'Zer' then he is committing a legal crime as well as the University that is employing him as a professor.
To me such a Law is ridiculous and bother on stupidity.
This is an infringement on the basic human right to free speech.
As I had highlighted there are loads of other problems [with the transgender and the anti-transgender] associated with the birth defect of Gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder (GID)transgenderism.
What I have done is to approach the problem objectively, identified the critical root causes and provided solutions to various scenarios and in the future.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.