The “Actor”

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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Burning ghost » September 26th, 2018, 12:14 pm

Eduk wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 3:21 am
I don't see a difference?
You don’t see the difference. I do, and I am asking anyone else if they can and what it is they see as different. Take any example you can conjure up from weddings, birthdays, opera, theatre, movies, etc.,. I think we can both at least agree that takkng part in a wedding is not the same as singing in a opera - not that I am denying any possible similarities (of which I could fashion a few easily enough.)

Greta mentions “ritual” yet the term is pointless if we’re using it both narrowly and broadly (in an everyday sense and a more religious context.)
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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Eduk » September 26th, 2018, 12:17 pm

Well one is singing and the other is mostly standing about waiting, but I assumed the obvious differences weren't what you were talking about? I was hoping you could give a specific difference, anyway I'm not trying to be difficult I just genuinely don't understand what you are trying to convey.
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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Burning ghost » September 26th, 2018, 1:51 pm

Eduk wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 12:17 pm
Well one is singing and the other is mostly standing about waiting, but I assumed the obvious differences weren't what you were talking about? I was hoping you could give a specific difference, anyway I'm not trying to be difficult I just genuinely don't understand what you are trying to convey.
You will eventually I think. If no one takes this up I’ll just move on and hopefully you’ll get an understanding of what is puzzling me in another thread.
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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Greta » September 26th, 2018, 4:46 pm

Burning ghost wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 4:00 am
Greta wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 3:55 am
What each has in common is a ritual where there is a function a person is expected to fulfil. It could be anyone - an amorphous form to fit the function.
Has is acting in a play a “ritual”? What do you mean by “ritual” when you use this term?
ritual, noun
1. a set of actions or words performed in a regular way, often [ie. not necessarily] as part of a religious ceremony

2. A ritual is also any act done regularly, usually without thinking about it
There are pre-determined roles in society. They need bodies body to fill them. Acting out these roles is a sublimation of self expression for the sake of gaining approval or avoiding disapproval.

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Re: The “Actor”

Post by ThomasHobbes » September 26th, 2018, 5:59 pm

Burning ghost wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 2:11 am
What are the differences between the theatrical actor and the actor of ceremonies?

As one example during a wedding ceremony people are acting out a certain set of acts, yet they are not actual theatrical actors. What makes the ceremony more “real” than a performance?

Ite to consider are award ceremonies, Christmas celebrations and traditions, attending a theatrical performance, the audience actor dynamic.
Scripted rather than improv.

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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Burning ghost » September 26th, 2018, 9:59 pm

TH -

That’s interesting! Which is which to your eyes?
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Re: The “Actor”

Post by Number2018 » October 9th, 2018, 8:35 pm

Burning ghost wrote:
September 26th, 2018, 2:11 am
What are the differences between the theatrical actor and the actor of ceremonies?

As one example during a wedding ceremony people are acting out a certain set of acts, yet they are not actual theatrical actors. What makes the ceremony more “real” than a performance?
I think that the difference in the degree of consciousness of the performing actor.
The theatrical actor has a clear intention to act, to play a role, according to her director’s instructions, theatrical traditions, and a set of acquired and learned skills. During the wedding ceremony, people are acting due to implicit social obligations and imperatives. Any social act is performativity - teaching students, curing patients etc.

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