Well, good for you... Maybe the ability to perceive life as awsome, beautiful, miraculous is a gift I have yet to receive...Lucylu wrote:
Well, I think there is something greater going on than we are aware of most of the time and that life can be really wonderful. I've disliked society and people in my time, but never life itself. I think nature is awesome and life is miraculous. Our hearts our beating away thousands of times a day, even in our sleep. How is that possible? What is that spark of life? Amazing!
Uhmm... I wouldn't call the condition I'm in suffering. Far from it... I say again, it's not about me.Lucylu wrote: It is actually a common part of depression to be in denial and not be able to see it- to believe what we feel is true and everyone else is blind. We might even think that other people just don't care as much as us or aren't as sensitive or intelligent as us. That's why we feel so deeply, and cant get through life..because we are superior! 'There's nothing wrong with me, its everybody else!!' Saying, 'nobody asked me if I wanted to be born' sounds a little like something a younger person might say when they have no control over their life. But I'm assuming you do have control over yours? If not, why not? Are you sure you aren't projecting you're own suffering on to other people's children?
I agree with Logic_ill- babies often just happen naturally when people are in the flow of life. Depression is the opposite to flow.
And uhmm... Animals procreate as an instinctive drive, humans must have sex, I'm not denying that. That's nature's course but, I'd like to think I can reason for a reason. What if one gives birth to an asthmatic child, or a child with heart problems, or a mute, or without limbs etc... (there are worse things) My concern is simply why gamble with the life that won't be yours? Why? Is there any reason that isn't selfish?
There is a thick line between not being born and dying... A line as thick as the universe.Lucylu wrote: At the end of the day, if you really don't want to live then you don't have to, but really we don't live that long anyway and time gets faster as you get older. Just chill out, wait a few more summers and a few more winters and it'll be time to pop your clogs anyway! You may as well enjoy the ride. You're on it now.
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That's the question right there... Why is it up to her? It is not. I do not care of she sells all she has to take care of me. I didn't tell her to go through all that to bring me here. Why would she wanna do that?BardoXV wrote:Some people have kids because they like sex and sometimes things happen. When I married my 2nd wife I already had a son from the first marriage, and I told my wife having children was entirely up to her because I already had a son.
Take time to think about why you had your son, be sincere to yourself and see if any of the reasons are for the son. You'd realize that all the reasons would be "...so I..." "...so we..." If you just wanna take care of someone or something, go adopt one or get a dog
Suffering isn't just not having food to eat and clothes to put on there are lot of psychological or emotional suffering also.BardoXV wrote: A few years ago I read a lot of Zen, and I don't agree that living is all suffering, that has not been my experience, there is a lot more joy in my life than suffering. But maybe I'm just not looking for the bad things in life.
Amd before someone assumes it again... I am not suffering from a go-see-a-shrink depression
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I believe by "nothing" you meant not being born. How can you prefer life to nonexistence when you have no experience of how the state of nonexistence is?Logic_ill wrote:.
The only thing the living have is their life experiences, some may be good, bad or somewhere in between. No matter what, it will some day end but life was experienced and most people would rather have that, than nothing at all.
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True... You'd wonderGreta wrote:I note that those who can guarantee their child a short, difficult and painful life are having large families while those capable of providing a much better life for children are increasingly remaining childless.