Oddities we take for granted

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Time. Time is a big oddity: it can't be stopped, and it can't be safely ascertained if it is moving at all. It is always now... so everything happens now, but not two things you can think of happen at the same time. It refuses to go backward, and you can't traverse it or travel in it. It distorts with speed, and it makes physical changes not only possible, but inevitable. It is accurate, more accurate than the most accurate clock, but unless you have a really accurate clock, you can't verify that.

And time makes you hungry.

Time for breakfast.
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As with all aspects of Universe, there exists duality or a minimum of two aspects and so it is with time also.

Time as metaphysical-1 set of concepts.


Time ^v\/\/\/v^observed as our occupied space sensations and represented and expressed as a sine-wave topology ^v\/\/v^ ergo observed time.
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Humans-- if not all animals ---have association with circadian cycles--- chrono-biology --- and humans pituitary gland produce melatonin between 3 and 5 AM every day.

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/our- ... obes-sleep
..."Like the plants I discussed last week, bacteria lack a central nervous system, so they don’t experience sleep like we do. But some exhibit circadian cycles tuned to the 24-hour day/night cycle, just like plants and animals.The best-known examples are cyano-bacteria, sometimes called blue-green algae, which are aquatic bacteria that, like plants, photosynthesize their own food.

..... It makes sense that these critters should follow a daily cycle to take advantage of the best time to make food and the best time to run other physiological processes. But scientists used to think that it wasn’t possible for any bacteria to exhibit circadian rhythms because their generation time is too short. Bacteria might live and die in less than 24 hours, which made it seem unlikely that they’d synchronize to a 24-hour day. That, and no one thought bacterial cells were complicated enough to require an internal clock.

They were wrong.".....
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Gravity aka positive shaped arc/curvature of Space ( ).

No one knows why gravity exists only that it is always attractive ergo contractively pulling-inward.

Gravity is the odd-bird out, in a similar way that 5-fold symmetry is the odd-bird-out.

From wiki:

..."The crystallographic restriction theorem in its basic form was based on the observation that the rotational symmetries of a crystal are usually limited to 2-fold, 3-fold, 4-fold, and 6-fold. However, quasicrystals can occur with other diffraction pattern symmetries, such as 5-fold".....

We take 5-fold symmetry for granted because we see star fish etc.......

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You can't observe time.....that's begging the question
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JamesCaan wrote:You can't observe time.....that's begging the question
Which question? I see time as a function of observed distances.

Can we observe aging, degradation, weathering, the diurnal rhythms R6 mentions, etc?
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Aristocles wrote:
JamesCaan wrote:You can't observe time.....that's begging the question
Which question?
Begging the question means you state an assumption in order to then reason that the assumption is true.
I see time as a function of observed distances.
This is an equivocation if you argue it logically. Miles, inches, measurements are how we determine distances. Distances are merely from an observed point to another. I.e. We don't observe miles we observe the separation of two different things then conceptualize an idea to convey in language "distance".. Simply adding the artificial idea of time to determine things such as speed or calculating speed by knowing time and distance doesn't prove time is an existing thing. You have to prove a causal nexus between time and something observable. Hint, a clock isn't included because that would be circular reasoning..I.e. Time exists because clocks exist. We built clocks because we observed time. We didn't. We built clocks because we saw a shadow moving around in a circle...etc.

Can we observe aging, degradation, weathering, the diurnal rhythms R6 mentions, etc?
There is no causal nexus between time and anything you listed. It isn't the same as what we call gravity. We drop an apple, it falls. The causal nexus between the apple and it falling we say is gravity.
R6 is using equivocation and is also begging the question when he attempts to act as if diurnal rhythm is "time" related. Diurnal rhythm functions are primarily regulated by the circadian clock, a cluster of nerves located on the hypothalamus in the brain. (Notice in this instance circadian clock refers to an observable thing that is a cluster of nerves. There isn't an actual clock with numbers) Etc. E6 uses circular reasoning for his illogical nonsense. The circadian clock relies on environmental cues to regulate its function, primarily light cues from the day/night cycle. Biological things such as the creation of vitamin d in the body by sunlight is a function of biology and how the sun creates things in the body. Daytime doesn't do it. Sunlight does.
So to reiterate. You have no physical evidence to prove the existence of time in reality. Time only exists in concept alone.
Aging is caused by degradation of the support structure inside a cell as it reproduces. Btw. 30 percent of the human body, so certain cell specific things like stomach cells, do not age or do not degrade via support structure failure. Cancer cells,which everyone has in their body, also do not degrade or "age".
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JamesCaan wrote:
Aristocles wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


Which question?
Begging the question means you state an assumption in order to then reason that the assumption is true.
I see time as a function of observed distances.
This is an equivocation if you argue it logically. Miles, inches, measurements are how we determine distances. Distances are merely from an observed point to another. I.e. We don't observe miles we observe the separation of two different things then conceptualize an idea to convey in language "distance".. Simply adding the artificial idea of time to determine things such as speed or calculating speed by knowing time and distance doesn't prove time is an existing thing. You have to prove a causal nexus between time and something observable. Hint, a clock isn't included because that would be circular reasoning..I.e. Time exists because clocks exist. We built clocks because we observed time. We didn't. We built clocks because we saw a shadow moving around in a circle...etc.

Can we observe aging, degradation, weathering, the diurnal rhythms R6 mentions, etc?
There is no causal nexus between time and anything you listed. It isn't the same as what we call gravity. We drop an apple, it falls. The causal nexus between the apple and it falling we say is gravity.
R6 is using equivocation and is also begging the question when he attempts to act as if diurnal rhythm is "time" related. Diurnal rhythm functions are primarily regulated by the circadian clock, a cluster of nerves located on the hypothalamus in the brain. (Notice in this instance circadian clock refers to an observable thing that is a cluster of nerves. There isn't an actual clock with numbers) Etc. E6 uses circular reasoning for his illogical nonsense. The circadian clock relies on environmental cues to regulate its function, primarily light cues from the day/night cycle. Biological things such as the creation of vitamin d in the body by sunlight is a function of biology and how the sun creates things in the body. Daytime doesn't do it. Sunlight does.
So to reiterate. You have no physical evidence to prove the existence of time in reality. Time only exists in concept alone.
Aging is caused by degradation of the support structure inside a cell as it reproduces. Btw. 30 percent of the human body, so certain cell specific things like stomach cells, do not age or do not degrade via support structure failure. Cancer cells,which everyone has in their body, also do not degrade or "age".
Are you saying time was not a construct of distance observations?
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