Dimensions of infinity
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Dimensions of infinity
Studies have shown a faint electrical spark at the conception of both mice and men; may we assume all life starts so? And if it does, then consider infinity; size is only a matter of perception. If the Earth were but an electron, spinning around in what may seem a tiny organism, in another dimension; a sperm perhaps, or an egg. What if somewhere within infinity, the Milky Way was a sperm, and Andromeda an egg, or vice versa; is there about to be a pretty big bang, or just a faint spark? I would say both.
This would make the universe, or dimension, as we see it, but a single life form, and every life form within it, a universe or dimension of its own. Is this not infinity?
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You are getting a bit too poetic and theoretical when you started adding those what if's to your questions. infinity would not be this. there is a finite number of everything this universe and dimension can hold so there would never be a true infinity within the ideology.
If I misunderstood something about what you asked, please tell me so that I can tell you my answer to that.
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Re: Dimensions of infinity
SamuelVIII wrote:Sorry about the poetry, it's in my soul. I used the term infinity to define The Universe, which to me is distinct from the observable universe. This universe I see as finite, given we have a start date, and as a dimension of The Universe. All life forms within the apparent universe are also dimensions, and apparent universes to their unseen inhabitants.
I actually like the word infinity. It seems so grand – noble. Kind of comforting – our universe is infinite – our God is infinite – my potential is infinite. Anyway, I think we can describe the concept of infinity – but we don’t really know it. We don’t experience infinity – we approximate it. For all we know space does not go on forever. Maybe, we travel out a bazillion light years and hit a wall. After which nothing else exists – nothing. That would be interesting. Who’s to know – have any probes come back – yet? Maybe we live in a giant box – and there is nothing outside the box. You know infinity is supposed to travel in both directions – in and out. Maybe we look so far inward and the come to a wall. Nothing more – nothing gets smaller. What do you think?
As far as the big bang – I think it is weak speculation.
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Re: Dimensions of infinity
I believe this is known as "stoner philosophy" :)SamuelVIII wrote:It has become clear, the apparent universe is not infinite, not with a start date for the Big Bang anyway. But stop to consider the Big Bang in terms of infinity; what makes it Big. Can it even be Big, within infinity, can anything?
Studies have shown a faint electrical spark at the conception of both mice and men; may we assume all life starts so? And if it does, then consider infinity; size is only a matter of perception. If the Earth were but an electron, spinning around in what may seem a tiny organism, in another dimension; a sperm perhaps, or an egg. What if somewhere within infinity, the Milky Way was a sperm, and Andromeda an egg, or vice versa; is there about to be a pretty big bang, or just a faint spark? I would say both.
This would make the universe, or dimension, as we see it, but a single life form, and every life form within it, a universe or dimension of its own. Is this not infinity?
Actually, the idea reminds me of Roger Penrose talking about how in quintillions of years' time all stars, planets, debris and black holes will have dissipated and there will only exist photons zipping about, further from each other than the entire size of today's universe. They will be increasingly be alone in complete nothingness. No atoms, electrons, dark matter, just photons effectively alone.
Who then is to say that this photon is not a universe unto itself? There is no measure or benchmark, no laws of physics acting on the photon aside from perhaps its own gradual dissipation. Each photon is effectively all there is, a mini universe unto itself. Maybe (and this is mine, not Penrose's) the big bang is a photon in space, finally moving so far away from other photons that there's no possible functional interrelation, no forces to hold it together. So it explodes/inflates as it's torn apart by the dark energy ...
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Re: Dimensions of infinity
Sometimes I glimpse infinity, I see the grass, the trees, some rabbits, and all the dimensions interacting; I've stopped swatting flies. Our universe is finite, but The Universe isn't; we may speculate, but probably never comprehend The Universe. I don't believe we can go on, in any direction, and then come to nothing, as nothing would contain no dimension; there would be nowhere to put it; or, if it was there, we could never detect it.Woodart wrote:SamuelVIII wrote:Sorry about the poetry, it's in my soul. I used the term infinity to define The Universe, which to me is distinct from the observable universe. This universe I see as finite, given we have a start date, and as a dimension of The Universe. All life forms within the apparent universe are also dimensions, and apparent universes to their unseen inhabitants.
I actually like the word infinity. It seems so grand – noble. Kind of comforting – our universe is infinite – our God is infinite – my potential is infinite. Anyway, I think we can describe the concept of infinity – but we don’t really know it. We don’t experience infinity – we approximate it. For all we know space does not go on forever. Maybe, we travel out a bazillion light years and hit a wall. After which nothing else exists – nothing. That would be interesting. Who’s to know – have any probes come back – yet? Maybe we live in a giant box – and there is nothing outside the box. You know infinity is supposed to travel in both directions – in and out. Maybe we look so far inward and the come to a wall. Nothing more – nothing gets smaller. What do you think?
As far as the big bang – I think it is weak speculation.
The big bang and the spark of conception are the exact same thing, from different perspectives.
Reading your post I find a very familiar thought train, it makes perfect sense, and you ask the right questions. I was asking myself such questions, when I was hit by one of those, rare little bursts of euphoric knowledge, from which sprung my next few years of thought, and eventually these conclusions.
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Re: Dimensions of infinity
Funny you should say that, but not in 30 yearsGreta wrote:I believe this is known as "stoner philosophy"SamuelVIII wrote:It has become clear, the apparent universe is not infinite, not with a start date for the Big Bang anyway. But stop to consider the Big Bang in terms of infinity; what makes it Big. Can it even be Big, within infinity, can anything?
Studies have shown a faint electrical spark at the conception of both mice and men; may we assume all life starts so? And if it does, then consider infinity; size is only a matter of perception. If the Earth were but an electron, spinning around in what may seem a tiny organism, in another dimension; a sperm perhaps, or an egg. What if somewhere within infinity, the Milky Way was a sperm, and Andromeda an egg, or vice versa; is there about to be a pretty big bang, or just a faint spark? I would say both.
This would make the universe, or dimension, as we see it, but a single life form, and every life form within it, a universe or dimension of its own. Is this not infinity?
Actually, the idea reminds me of Roger Penrose talking about how in quintillions of years' time all stars, planets, debris and black holes will have dissipated and there will only exist photons zipping about, further from each other than the entire size of today's universe. They will be increasingly be alone in complete nothingness. No atoms, electrons, dark matter, just photons effectively alone.
Who then is to say that this photon is not a universe unto itself? There is no measure or benchmark, no laws of physics acting on the photon aside from perhaps its own gradual dissipation. Each photon is effectively all there is, a mini universe unto itself. Maybe (and this is mine, not Penrose's) the big bang is a photon in space, finally moving so far away from other photons that there's no possible functional interrelation, no forces to hold it together. So it explodes/inflates as it's torn apart by the dark energy ...
I don't think the photon could be a universe, more like a wandering star; on the other hand, if at any time it had what could have been perceived as a big bang or a conceptual spark, then I'd have no problem with it being a dimensional universe.
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