How the World Came About

[Being_1925]

At any age a chance to know the cause of the world should not be wasted. The first phenomenon has to be the infinity of space as no border is possible. The next one is the great mass of energy, which is open for a name and might well be called god. The basic unit of energy can’t be detected but all are the same nature with some attraction that also can’t be detected. We have the opportunity to experience this energy as our soul for a lifetime. Units of energy can join up into any possible particles as an electron or proton. As the proton is in the nucleus of the atom circled by an electron, the bigger atoms have more protons with the corresponding electrons, how the periodic table of the elements shows. With its attraction we have matter that is visible in the stars and Milky Way.

We live on the planet earth which has the ideal condition for organic life and the creation of the cell. The great number of plants and animals show that every kind of plant and animal had a real chance to develop. Only man had the ideal body that allowed him to have a consciousness for everything. It was for the control of cell growth that plants needed a bloom and animals needed a male and female body, which now gives man a chance to have children by his conscience. For early man it depended on the insight of people to understand the connection of birth and death of human life. The bible gives a good picture of this understanding with the Ten Commandments. But then it needed an almighty being to create man, while the energy as soul has given man already consciousness. There can be no explaining of human existence without the acknowledgment of energy as the soul and atoms and cells for organic life.

[Surreptitious57]

There is no need to refer to energy as the soul as it is a physical phenomenon
Human existence can also be explained without reference to such terminology
If man has a consciousness for everything why is our knowledge not absolute

[Sy Borg]

There can be no explaining of human existence without the acknowledgment of energy as the soul and atoms and cells for organic life.

I agree with Surreptitious. If energy is the soul then a power station would have more of a soul than a person. The "cells" of organic life are simply cells :) - essentially colonies of small beings that make us us. Literal interpretations aside, you appear to be alluding to the idea that energy itself is, or provides the spark for, life.

No doubt life is all about processing energy. However, if you want to find a soul, you won't find it in our energy (which is basically food processed by the gut) but in our individual natural tendencies, instincts and higher executive functions, including morality. There is energy and there are its configurations. The configurations - the information/patterns - of energy are, I think, closer to what you are looking for.

[Fan of Science]

There is nothing in all of science that points in the direction of a god being necessary to create people or any other life form.

[Sy Borg]

There is nothing in all of science that points in the direction of a god being necessary to create people or any other life form.

Then again ... the inevitable result of any evolution that manages to pass 'the great filter" (which may filter us out) will inevitably become godlike to our perception.

What spurs evolutionary novelty and intelligence are survival challenges. Each challenge that humans (or whatever we become) overcomes will result in significant technological advancement. If we survive current challenges, another huge difficulty awaits - the Sun's heating up prior to expansion to a Red Giant. Eventually some humans, or whatever we become, will leave Earth, presumably to Mars and Titan, while working on interstellar travel technology. If practical interstellar travel is mastered - admittedly, seemingly a long way off - then that makes continued survival and advancement of intelligent species much more likely. By that stage, asteroids and comets would be comfortably controlled.

A species that mastered interstellar travel could conceivably continue evolving for trillions of years, continually advancing as new dangers are met. Over those trillions of years, apparently galaxies will start being pulled apart by dark energy, leaving only supermassive black holes with a diminishing accretion disc remaining. The only way life - or whatever unimaginable thing/s it would become over trillions of years - could then persist as interconnected incorporeal entities, capable of gaining energy from any environment. Basically a deity that would perhaps be capable of shaping new big bangs. If ultra-advanced life forms evolved over such long periods don't become incorporeal (to our perspective) then they don't survive. It surely won't be as simple as wireless versions of a digitised human consciousness, with solid structures being created in material that we cannot currently control. This will be feasible in temperatures close to absolute zero.

Of course, when we heap supposition upon supposition as I just did, any of those stages could mean the end. So I know it's closer to sci fi than philosophy or science. However, given the probabilities in a universe with so many galaxies brimming with stars and planets, it would only take one successful journey out of (probably) billions of instances for such a quasi Omega Point deity-like being to evolve. Just one out many billions needs to make it, so it's not nearly as far-fetched an idea than we may otherwise suppose.

After all, there was presumably no hint that humanity would emerge from an Earth a few billion years' ago populated only by microbes, and humans seems godlike by comparison.

[Fan of Science]

That's the claim behind the series by Arthur C. Clark, with the computer Hal, and the monoliths --- that evolution could produce a "god." Even assuming that were true, that still does not refute my point, that there is nothing in science that requires a god. In fact, science looks for natural explanations, and has done very well for itself by doing so.

[Woodart]

That's the claim behind the series by Arthur C. Clark, with the computer Hal, and the monoliths --- that evolution could produce a "god." Even assuming that were true, that still does not refute my point, that there is nothing in science that requires a god. In fact, science looks for natural explanations, and has done very well for itself by doing so.

I agree there is no requirement for God in science. In addition I would say there is no requirement for God at all. It is a matter of personal choice. God cannot be proved or disproved by any empirical evidence. Does that mean that God does not exist? No, it does not. The reverse is also true. Each person makes a claim for the affirmative or negative based upon evidence and evaluation judgements of that evidence.

Some people assert that the bible tells them so – and they believe it. Some people claim to have direct communication with God. I do not believe in bibles – they are man-made stories. Some of the stories have wisdom and I accept the wisdom – as I see it. I do not believe God has talked to man – ever.

However, I do believe God exists. I see a somewhat organized universe. The laws of physics seem very consistent. We have a nice planet which is an extension of an organized universe and laws of physics. We have consciousness and inside our consciousness we have emotions – particularly love. This life is very lucky – too lucky in my estimation. I am suspicious of too much luck.

[Being_1925]

There can be no explaining of human existence without the acknowledgment of energy as the soul and atoms and cells for organic life.

I agree with Surreptitious. If energy is the soul then a power station would have more of a soul than a person. The "cells" of organic life are simply cells - essentially colonies of small beings that make us us. Literal interpretations aside, you appear to be alluding to the idea that energy itself is, or provides the spark for, life.

No doubt life is all about processing energy. However, if you want to find a soul, you won't find it in our energy (which is basically food processed by the gut) but in our individual natural tendencies, instincts and higher executive functions, including morality. There is energy and there are its configurations. The configurations - the information/patterns - of energy are, I think, closer to what you are looking for.

Energy is not only an electron, it is also warmth. So it is a wide range of what is possible with energy. Only with the brain cells can your soul know that it is your soul. No conscious god could create man for no reason, just to send them to Hell or Heaven. The great mass of energy also exists without a particular reason, but because it can't escape existence it did create the atom and the elements and that gives the great mass of energy a place to stay in all the galaxies, suns, and planets.

On Earth there is, with the cell, the possibility of organic life. The safety of this organic life depends on the human mind. But, this mind has the chance for experience over the centuries to what is good and what can be hoped for in the human life. There is also the well known equation, matter equals energy, that is true without exception and that must involve the soul.