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Synthesis wrote:That conjecture aside, what exactly is it that seems to drive human beings to lust after something "free," when it is well understood that there no such thing as free in the first place? Somebody is ALWAYS paying the freight.
Greta wrote:I think it's because we already do so much of "something". We moderns are busy, with extraordinary productivity, thanks to machines.
Fan of Science wrote:You are engaged in a fallacy. One can take all the money held by the rich, and distribute it to the poor, and guess what? It won't make much difference for poor people. Further, the claim that rich people are wealthy because they steal from the poor, the very people who really have nothing to steal, makes no sense. Rich people are largely rich because they create wealth, not because they steal it from poor people. Look at the innovations from a company like Apple? Did Apple force people to buy its products? Or, did people willingly buy Apple's products, because in buying said products, they made themselves better off through these voluntary purchases?
Trying to equate capitalism with theft, and further claiming that people become wealthy by stealing from the poor, who have nothing for anyone to steal in the first place, shows a great deal of misunderstanding on how real economics works.
Synthesis wrote:...to give people everything they could possible want [cheap junk food and drugs, unlimited TV and porn, etc.]. For this privilege, people will turn a blind eye and allow the elite to have their way. It is a society of adult children.
Fan of Science wrote:You made a clear reference to wealthy people taking from the poor, and people getting something for nothing, which shows an extreme ignorance of basic economics. Wealth gets created. You are acting as if we are simply playing out a zero-sum game, where if someone gains, another must lose, which is not the case. People engage in voluntary exchanges, because both parties gain.
While there are certainly some instances of corruption, including fraud, this is not in general how our economic systems work in the west. They couldn't function if that is mainly what was happening.
Synthesis wrote:Fan of Science wrote:Please try to not to assume and then disparage what others may or may not know based on one or two sentences. Again, it just might be that you are mis-interpreting.
-1- wrote:Synthesis wrote:...to give people everything they could possible want [cheap junk food and drugs, unlimited TV and porn, etc.]. For this privilege, people will turn a blind eye and allow the elite to have their way. It is a society of adult children.
This makes it clear that what people want and possibly could want is not the same thing as people having their way.
This means that people who have their way have something that they don't want.
Which is absurd.
(I am strictly going by what you said, not by what you possibly wanted to mean. If you want us to read what you mean, you must write what you mean.)
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