Death: The Ultimate truth?
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Death: The Ultimate truth?
The answer most would come back with is fear of the unknown. But what does this, "fear of the unknown," mean?
Well, it would seem to mean that we can not deal with anything we actually know to be true. This might be similar to how many believe that people would completely lose it if they knew what their future might hold, or the ever-popular, "if you want God to get even with you, have Him give you exactly what you want."
People live in a fantasy world created by an intellect that [to say the least] is a work in progress. Although most would suggest that it is our intelligence which differentiates us from the rest of the creepy crawlies that ply the Earth's surface, I would suggest that it is the very same that positions us at the bottom of the totem pole of functional species, a smidgen above the hyena, but considerably below the sloth.
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I don't think we are above the Hyena - what do you have against Hyena's?Synthesis wrote:
People live in a fantasy world created by an intellect that [to say the least] is a work in progress. Although most would suggest that it is our intelligence which differentiates us from the rest of the creepy crawlies that ply the Earth's surface, I would suggest that it is the very same that positions us at the bottom of the totem pole of functional species, a smidgen above the hyena, but considerably below the sloth.
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Touche!Woodart wrote:I don't think we are above the Hyena - what do you have against Hyena's?Synthesis wrote:
People live in a fantasy world created by an intellect that [to say the least] is a work in progress. Although most would suggest that it is our intelligence which differentiates us from the rest of the creepy crawlies that ply the Earth's surface, I would suggest that it is the very same that positions us at the bottom of the totem pole of functional species, a smidgen above the hyena, but considerably below the sloth.
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I choose the get busy living and don't dwell on death. It is death that makes time precious.
As for "functional species", I am not sure what criteria you are using to make such value judgements.
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NO!!
I believe that was J Stuart Mill's view.
The maxim "All man are mortal" is actually inductive and not an ultimate truth.
This is based on Hume's Problem of Induction.
We conclude "All man are mortal" based on observing people [kins, others] dying and no one has lived more than 150 years. This is merely based on induction.
Just as there is no guarantee the Sun will rise tomorrow, there is a possibility with the advent of Science, humans could live longer than 150 years and never die. Who is so sure such a hypothesis cannot happen.
So "All man are mortal" is at best a conditional truth and not an ultimate truth.
On a practical basis I am more interested in the following;
- Synthesis: Why is it that the only thing we know to be true [our mortality] scares the hell out of almost everybody?
-- Updated Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:10 pm to add the following --
Correction;
should be: "All men are mortal"
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Humans are vastly more intelligent than other species and there is no question of it. Just as an ape is obviously smarter than a lizard, humans are obviously smarter than other apes. It's just as well since we lack strength, speed, claws, fur, a thick hide, spikes, venom or the ability to exude slime or ink. Since humans are easily damaged, the point of intelligence is to place the body in places where it won't be damaged.Synthesis wrote:Thinking is not what we believe it to be. Perhaps nothing reveals this supposition more than how [most] human beings deal with death, the idea that, "there are no atheists in the foxhole," sort of thing. Why is it that the only thing we know to be true [our mortality] scares the hell out of almost everybody?
The answer most would come back with is fear of the unknown. But what does this, "fear of the unknown," mean?
Well, it would seem to mean that we can not deal with anything we actually know to be true. This might be similar to how many believe that people would completely lose it if they knew what their future might hold, or the ever-popular, "if you want God to get even with you, have Him give you exactly what you want."
People live in a fantasy world created by an intellect that [to say the least] is a work in progress. Although most would suggest that it is our intelligence which differentiates us from the rest of the creepy crawlies that ply the Earth's surface, I would suggest that it is the very same that positions us at the bottom of the totem pole of functional species, a smidgen above the hyena, but considerably below the sloth.
Meanwhile, fear of death has been inherited by countless generations of ancestors who survived because they were so keen to avoid death. No doubt that drive can be overridden in at least some people via willpower or beliefs, but those of us who are not warriors or in a depressed state tend to retain an enthusiasm for staying alive.
It is true that in cultures where death isn't a local everyday occurrence, there is a tendency to live in denial, as though the worst won't happen. The attitude is basically one of crossing that particular bridge when it comes, and in the meantime to embrace life.
Speaking of crossing bridges, there is definitely some, if not the, truth to be found in death. I think it was Max Tegmark who said that black holes were important because it is at the fringes where much can be learned about the nature of things. In terms of life, the extremes are fertilisation and death, with neither usually given much thought as they are "distant". It often takes a scare or the death of someone close to jolt us to reality.
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I must be slightly oddball in that I have no specific fear of dying. I have no desire to die right now and I have a greater fear of getting old and senile than I do of dying.Synthesis wrote:Why is it that the only thing we know to be true [our mortality] scares the hell out of almost everybody?
I guess I have the practical view of, "We all have to go that way eventually".
Also, while "I" will die, everything that makes up "I" continues to exist (in regards to matter), so the chances of my existence again at some point in the future are just as great as my chances of ever having existed at all in the first place...and for all I know this may not be my first existence...
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Making peace with the notion that all things [including ourselves] are born, have life, and death would seem to be job #1 that must take place before one embraces life.Greta wrote:It is true that in cultures where death isn't a local everyday occurrence, there is a tendency to live in denial, as though the worst won't happen. The attitude is basically one of crossing that particular bridge when it comes, and in the meantime to embrace life.
As with the bucket-list kind of thing, people see life in terms of artificially created constraints, as if they have x amount of time and y amount of money and so on and so forth instead of seeing life as something that is going on despite our attempts to apply analytics.
Death is the ultimate truth because it is something that even the most hard core among us can not deny. Of course, the Truth of the matter is, no life, no death, only Being.
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Yet, another way is by procreating. We pass from life to life. From human to human, from hyena to hyena. The cells are alive in the body as they embark to their destination where they learn, evaluate and transform into another body. What is it? The message or the hardware built by the message with the elements of the periodic table? What of the elements? The physics are the message… and what of the Physics? Their history is like the history of our own DNA/message… What of the particles?... Do they have any mass? Death? My cells renewed hundred times. The foggy memories I keep or the way I feel now when I look at my younger self. Deep inside second to second I was this young. I am.
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You not an oddball but a normal human being.GraphicsGuy wrote:I must be slightly oddball in that I have no specific fear of dying.Synthesis wrote:Why is it that the only thing we know to be true [our mortality] scares the hell out of almost everybody?
I have wrote those who fear death in a very conscious regular manner are actually mentally sick and as such need psychiatric help to cure their thanatophobia.
While any impending threat of death is terrifying that it drives the person to avoid premature death, the fact of mortality is generally strongly suppressed deep in the brain during normal living conditions. This is necessary so that the normal person is not paralyzed by such terrifying fears and terror.Additionally there is anxiety [thanatophobia] where the cause is death related (in thought-content[3]), which might be classified within a clinical setting by a psychiatrist as morbid and, or, abnormal, which for classification pre-necessitates a degree of anxiety which is persistent and interferes with everyday functioning.
en.wik1pedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety_(ps ... natophobia
Nature is never perfect and there are always leakages of the suppression of the fact of mortality at the subliminal or unconscious level that generate as angst, various related anxieties and dissonance.
To reduce dissonance and generate consonance your mind generate this [leap of faith] which is some how soothing and enabling a sense of security;
Others invent ideas of God, souls, deities, reincarnation, rebirth, etc. to soothe their dissonance.GraphicsGuy wrote:Also, while "I" will die, everything that makes up "I" continues to exist (in regards to matter), so the chances of my existence again at some point in the future are just as great as my chances of ever having existed at all in the first place...and for all I know this may not be my first existence...
Whatever activities is associated with a person reverberate in waves throughout the universe [your cough could have causes a typhoon in China], but there is no identifiable "I" that survives or continue after physical death.
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