There you go, you have answered your own question.Belindi wrote:Spectrum wrote:
What do you mean: "the LBGT community" ?As I had stated, personally I have no problem with transgenders and the LBGT community.
But I recognized the problem of the hardcore majority who are anti-LBGT who cannot change their brain immediately due to the embedded instincts from million of years of evolution.
LBGT are simply people. Are they a set apart community? I doubt it . Maybe on the occasions when LGBT people demonstrate for rights they for a community.
I think you missed my point.Anyway my more important point is that what you call "the hardcore majority" and indeed LBGT people too, are unlike wild animals who act according to "the embedded instincts of evolution". True, humans retain what may be called instincts to a significant degree. However now that we are don't breed solely according to natural selection and to a significant degree we breed according to artificial selection we need to reason with kindness about individuals' preferences.
Note my point - "the hardcore majority who are anti-LBGT." I was referring to those who are anti-LBGT and are "hardcore" i.e. the fundamentalist extremists who will not hesitate to kill homosexuals and transgenders on sight. Example are the jihadists who throw homosexuals/transgenders off the roof of buildings.
6 Stabbed at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade by ultra-Orthodox Jewish Assailant
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.668796
There is no absolute 'normal' as dictated by a God. What is normal is something that is very relative but it is objective.You, Spectrum, reveal yourself to identify your own prejudices and weaknesses with some fiction which you like to believe are those of the normal human being. But they aren't. They are your own prejudices and weaknesses.
If the average height of all the 7 billion people is 5 feet 6 inches, then those whose height is between 5 to 6 feet would be consider normal [Normal (Bell) Curve]. A person whose height is merely 2.5 feet would be considered as relatively abnormal from an objective perspective. What is the problem with that for the purpose of discussion.
As with the degree of sexuality it also follow a Normal Distribution {Bell} Curve pattern.
For research and discussion sake there should be no problem in stating what is normal [average] sexuality and what is abnormal for those at the extreme percentile.
Obviously when face to face with a transgender [high degree] person I would not say in his/her face s/he is abnormal.
Btw, I have discussed with many transgenders in various forums, read their blogs and many do not have any hesitation to acknowledge their transgender thoughts are due to a mental illness and they wish they were normal but have to accept their fate. Nevertheless I believe we should soften this issue and not call it a mental illness even though it is technically.
-- Updated Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:32 pm to add the following --
This is the point, it is the "evolved in-group/out-group instincts" within humanity that trigger trangenders as a threat to the 'out-group'.Gertie wrote:There's a fascinating documentary on a classroom experiment showing just how ingrained and easy to trigger our evolved in-group/out-group instincts are if you're interested. A Class Divided -
http://documentaryvine.com/video/frontl ... s-divided/
The Stanford experiment is another famous one.
Understanding our evolved tendencies, the context in which the neurobiological mechanisms developed to be suited to, and how norms become enculturated and passed on is vital in understanding ourselves, and the problems they can lead to in the very different social contexts we inhabit now in our globalised world of inter-connected strangers, from the link between how we perceive and categorise norms and normativity, to medicalising difference.
If we do research on the psychology of "in-group/out-group" the differentiating element can be anything from tribes, sports, skin color, nations, religions, culture, any groupings, etc. etc. and that include sexuality, in this case, the transgenders.
The fact is we are faced with 2 main problems here i.e.
- 1. The evolved in-group/out-group instincts embedded deep in the brain that perceived the out-group subliminally as an 'existential' threat leading the extreme of killing those of the out-group.
2. The emergence of a percentile of transgenders who are different from the majority of the 7+ billion people on Earth.
e.g.
Now the theoretical solution is very easy, i.e. get rid [the mental problem] of either 1 or 2 then there will be no such problems. Or better still, get rid of both the mental problem [not the physical humans] re 1 and 2.6 Stabbed at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade by ultra-Orthodox Jewish Assailant
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.668796
But in practice, evolved in-group/out-group instincts which are embedded in the brain thus difficult to get-rid of or resolve. Perhaps we could educate and counsel those involved but the most is we can change the marginal ones but not those who are hardcore.
In practice we cannot get rid of the transgenders as they are born that way due to deviations in their DNA.
As concerned citizens of humanity we need to recognize the above two problems and how when they meet, generate evils and violence.
At present [rather than be ostriches] we should look at both factors and try to mitigate the relating problem as much as possible. In the long run [future] we should strive to look for more effective solutions using ethical fool proofs methods.
What is I see here is many just want to brush off the real problems like ostriches, want to shut others off and hope the problems will go away. I prefer to recognize the problems as they are and suggest possible solutions to tackle both problems which are very deep rooted.