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Can false information overcome reality and reshape it

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How far can a false information overcome the real world and with it the universe of true statements and reshape the world of true conclusions. This is a fundamental interesting mathematical question, reformulated for philosophy. What are the philosophical conclusions if this is the truth? Absolute truth is just pure mathematical but what it then philosophical correct thinking?

-- Updated September 28th, 2017, 11:04 am to add the following --

In addition everybody knows the following statement: "This statement is erroneous". It isn't true and it isn't false. There are combinatorial logical constructs which can alter in modal logics the logical content of a statement. But what if an axiomatic system once claimed, denies certain philosophies and prooves others for real, without beeing always a tautological statement. So how does then change philosophy and it's theories in this context.

-- Updated September 28th, 2017, 11:11 am to add the following --

So the real problem is a metatheory for philosophical theories embedded in such a modal or even more higher order logical context such that theories cannot be deevaluated by statements or additional axioms.

-- Updated September 28th, 2017, 11:16 am to add the following --

Certainly after turing stopping time problem and Gödel one has to restrict philosophical systems in a certain way in order to be at least for a milder way not totally refutable (wiederlegbar).

-- Updated September 28th, 2017, 12:10 pm to add the following --

I could imagine higher modal logics dependent on information via a stochastic filtration, and then to imply conditions on these filtrations and the modal logical temporal dependent axioms , to make some kind of philosophy , despite Gödel's theorem, still possible.

-- Updated September 28th, 2017, 12:17 pm to add the following --

For all those who don't know it modal logic with possible and necessary is dependent on a parameter called world or tree, if one amplifies this concept to a world adapted to a stochastic filtration, this could have implications for philosophy.

-- Updated October 3rd, 2017, 8:34 am to add the following --

If false information could overcome reality and even reshape it philosophy would become obsolete this is clear.

-- Updated October 29th, 2017, 10:57 am to add the following --

I thought on something like the necessity of the impossibility of the feasibility of some argument , that then prooves the theory erroneous without beeing it even if the claims are true or false and one then can enforce your own arguments and theories. But this should sound somewhat more philosophical , s.th. the dialectical basis is more elaborate.

-- Updated October 29th, 2017, 11:00 am to add the following --

Like this phrase is a lie is a statement that even in every case neither true nor false.

-- Updated November 13th, 2017, 5:09 am to add the following --

Imagine then a higher order modal and temporal logic spell, that reverses all philosophy to itself.
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