But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no words
- Amokxy
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But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no words
When I think of the way that humans treat other animals (and themselves and others!), I can hardly disagree with his assessment... in my personal experience. Do I need to post evidence of the way animals are treated in this world? This 'economy'? Are you kidding? To get this posted?
What i want to know is this: Do you believe that what we've given up, as humans, is worth what we've gained? That what we've lost in kindness and humanity is worth your cell phone? That thehe steak on your plate worth a life?
Would you kill that cow? For that steak? I mean personally, in person, would you murder that cow?
And then, enjoy it afterwards?
- Aristocles
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
noAmokxy wrote:I have been obsessed with the idea that humans are basically insane. I have a young vegan friend who, a few years back, went to an animal rescue farm. He was very young and vulnerable at the time, maybe 14, already a vegan, much abused at school because he was coming out as gay. A very sensitive child. He said something that always stuck with me. "The woman who ran the place was rude," he said, "but the animals were kind."
When I think of the way that humans treat other animals (and themselves and others!), I can hardly disagree with his assessment... in my personal experience. Do I need to post evidence of the way animals are treated in this world? This 'economy'? Are you kidding? To get this posted?
What i want to know is this: Do you believe that what we've given up, as humans, is worth what we've gained? That what we've lost in kindness and humanity is worth your cell phone? That thehe steak on your plate worth a life?
Would you kill that cow? For that steak? I mean personally, in person, would you murder that cow?
And then, enjoy it afterwards?
- Albert Tatlock
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
I agree with you 100%, Amokxy. I enjoy steak far more if someone else has murdered the cow.Amokxy wrote: Would you kill that cow? For that steak? I mean personally, in person, would you murder that cow?
And then, enjoy it afterwards?
- Sy Borg
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
As for the steak question, it depends. Many animals are far from kind, happy to tear its prey asunder as it struggles. Life itself is brutal, not just humans, and it has always been. Humans introduced the concept of mercy, although opinions vary wildly as to whom warrants human mercy. So there's a huge range of eating habits - from fruitarians, who believe that vegan killing of plants for food is immoral to those whose main diet is animal meat.
Personally, I eat meat on weekends and mostly avoid it during the week. I ate vegetarian for a while but found that my body responds well to meat; people's bodies are different and respond differently to different foods. So I worked out via trial and error an approximate minimum amount of meat I needed to feel good. However, I won't touch pork or veal due to the industries' reputation for callous cruelty to intelligent, sensitive animals.
Bottom line: Eating always involves death (harvesting kills many insects, rats and reptiles) so it's a balance between wellbeing and minimising some of the damage we inevitably cause in the process of living and surviving.
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
Try as I might, I can't, for the life of me, work out what this is supposed to mean. What do animals do that could be described as kind?Amokxy wrote: "but the animals were kind."
- Sy Borg
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
It means they were gentle and had no competitive agenda with him - unlike bloody humansAlbert Tatlock wrote:Try as I might, I can't, for the life of me, work out what this is supposed to mean. What do animals do that could be described as kind?Amokxy wrote: "but the animals were kind."
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Re: But the animals are kind: No death but for food, & no wo
Anyway, I regard myself as a hypocritical vegetarian. I aspire to not eating meat, but frequently fail.
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