Circumcision. Seeking opinions based on personal experiences

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I think stubbing my toe is equivalent to breaking my leg.
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A pithy reductio ad absurdum rebuttal of slippery slope arguments there Eduk.

I wonder what happens if a slippery slope argument is itself placed on a slippery slope to more extreme slippery slope arguments:

I think tapping somebody lightly on the head with a feather is equivalent to killing the entire world population with weapons of mass destruction. And torturing them first.

I wonder if that would be a meta-slippery slope argument.
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When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
I think it's ok to derail this thread now?
Why do you think journalists pretended not to understand what Cantona was talking about (at the time)?
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Did they pretend not to understand him? I don't remember. I mainly put that quote there because I like the idea of the footballer-philosopher.

Perhaps they were just ashamed of themselves?
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If I goggle the phrase my top his is from the Mail in 2012
Eric Cantona delivered one of the most famous phrases football has ever known when he uttered the immortal and completely baffling words
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Maybe it was just baffling to them because they don't generally expect footballers to say anything except "the lad's done great", "it's a funny old game" and "well, Brian, at the end of the day it's a game of two halves."
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Brilliant. I'm at work so can't turn the sound up. But as I recall he was half Geordie half Spanish.
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LuckyR wrote: March 8th, 2018, 1:02 am So, any update? How are you and you son communicating?
Sorry I have not provided an update yet, but I’ve been incredibly busy lately
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Well, he’s completely healed, and has been for a few weeks now. Basically everything went fine, and I ended up being very satisfied with the results. I’m confident that he’s masturbating less frequently now, based on conversations I’ve had with my husband, and, although there is no way to definitively know, I’m pretty confident that if he’s stupid enough to have sex as a teenager, at least he will not be able to give his partner the kind of toe curling o’s that an uncut guy could.

However, I can’t say everything went perfectly, because there were a few minor ‘complications’, but they were fairly minor and in the end did not effect the basic outcome. In fact, I’d say there were only three things that troubled me a bit about the entire process.

1) the pain. The procedure was more even more painful than I expected it to be. I wasn’t within earshot but my sister told me that he passed out a few times from the ‘physical shock’ as she put it, which tells me that it must have been really painful. He was unconscious during what I call the ‘scraping’ procedure, as well as when she was snipping the lateral nerves and trimming the glans. I didn’t like hearing that, but she told me that it was a quite normal physiological response given the situation, and that there would be no long term effects. He was also in pain afterwards for quite a bit longer than I expected. He was still complaining about extreme pain during erections over a month afterwards, but thank god the pain finally completely subsided. In fact, he hasn’t even used any analgesic cream for over a month. :)

2) Too much scar tissue. This was not actually due to the circumcision itself, but was caused by the extra stuff she did to further reduce sensitivity. There are two long vertical scars going down the length of his penis from the trimming of some of the lateral nerves, and a scar around his glans from where she ‘trimmed’ it up. I was a bit peturbed by this because in discussing these additional procedures I was under the impression that there wouldn’t be so much scar tissue, otherwise I might not have agreed to it. But there is so much that the final appearance leaves a lot to be desired. I was kind of disappointed, but it is not so bad that I think it’s going to adversely effect him any. In many ways it still looks better than an uncut member. But all in all I would have to say that this was one area that didn’t live up to my expectations.

3) Too long of a recovery time. He had to miss more school than I expected, and it’s taking longer than we thought for his dorsal nerve to fully recover. We expected it to take no more than a month, but apparently it’s going to take a bit longer for it to fully ‘readapt’ as she put it, because it was ‘bruised’ during the procedure. But his sensitivity keeps increasing, and she said she had no doubt that it would fully recover in another month or so.

At any rate, overall, I am satisfied. He’s masturbating less, and because he now needs lube to do it, it’s harder for him to hide it from us. I also now have a practical means to help him curtail his habit (we’ve even got rid of all our liquid soap dispensers! :wink: ). So in the final analysis I would say it was pretty much a success, even tho not everything went exactly according to plan. :)
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This is just sad. I hate the idea of parents thinking about their child's masturbation and how to shape the youth's habits. For the love of God, woman, just let the boy wank! He is full of hormones driving him bonkers. It's a horrible time of life so why make it more horrible and deny him an outlet?? Mutilation won't stop him anyway - circumcised boys go at it just as much.

Re: logic. If teenagers are stupid for having sex then almost every human who has ever lived is stupid, including me, because most of us started in our teens. Have 100 billion people been "stupid" or might those who believe such things be blinkered in their conservatism to the point of losing touch with reality?
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Kathyd wrote: March 25th, 2018, 3:48 pm
LuckyR wrote: March 8th, 2018, 1:02 am So, any update? How are you and you son communicating?
Sorry I have not provided an update yet, but I’ve been incredibly busy lately
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Well, he’s completely healed, and has been for a few weeks now. Basically everything went fine, and I ended up being very satisfied with the results. I’m confident that he’s masturbating less frequently now, based on conversations I’ve had with my husband, and, although there is no way to definitively know, I’m pretty confident that if he’s stupid enough to have sex as a teenager, at least he will not be able to give his partner the kind of toe curling o’s that an uncut guy could.

However, I can’t say everything went perfectly, because there were a few minor ‘complications’, but they were fairly minor and in the end did not effect the basic outcome. In fact, I’d say there were only three things that troubled me a bit about the entire process.

1) the pain. The procedure was more even more painful than I expected it to be. I wasn’t within earshot but my sister told me that he passed out a few times from the ‘physical shock’ as she put it, which tells me that it must have been really painful. He was unconscious during what I call the ‘scraping’ procedure, as well as when she was snipping the lateral nerves and trimming the glans. I didn’t like hearing that, but she told me that it was a quite normal physiological response given the situation, and that there would be no long term effects. He was also in pain afterwards for quite a bit longer than I expected. He was still complaining about extreme pain during erections over a month afterwards, but thank god the pain finally completely subsided. In fact, he hasn’t even used any analgesic cream for over a month. :)

2) Too much scar tissue. This was not actually due to the circumcision itself, but was caused by the extra stuff she did to further reduce sensitivity. There are two long vertical scars going down the length of his penis from the trimming of some of the lateral nerves, and a scar around his glans from where she ‘trimmed’ it up. I was a bit peturbed by this because in discussing these additional procedures I was under the impression that there wouldn’t be so much scar tissue, otherwise I might not have agreed to it. But there is so much that the final appearance leaves a lot to be desired. I was kind of disappointed, but it is not so bad that I think it’s going to adversely effect him any. In many ways it still looks better than an uncut member. But all in all I would have to say that this was one area that didn’t live up to my expectations.

3) Too long of a recovery time. He had to miss more school than I expected, and it’s taking longer than we thought for his dorsal nerve to fully recover. We expected it to take no more than a month, but apparently it’s going to take a bit longer for it to fully ‘readapt’ as she put it, because it was ‘bruised’ during the procedure. But his sensitivity keeps increasing, and she said she had no doubt that it would fully recover in another month or so.

At any rate, overall, I am satisfied. He’s masturbating less, and because he now needs lube to do it, it’s harder for him to hide it from us. I also now have a practical means to help him curtail his habit (we’ve even got rid of all our liquid soap dispensers! :wink: ). So in the final analysis I would say it was pretty much a success, even tho not everything went exactly according to plan. :)
Well, you were warned, so no surprises there. But back to the question you dodged: how are you and your son communicating?
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Albert Tatlock wrote: November 26th, 2017, 4:03 pmI think the question here is not so much whether you should have your son circumcised but rather should you be locked up for conspiracy to commit child abuse. I can barely believe what I'm reading, is this some sort of wind up or are you genuinely as sick in the head as you sound?
Atreyu wrote: December 13th, 2017, 12:55 pm Unbelievable! I just watched that video and that is most certainly "mutilation". I can't believe you would subject your son to such an incredibly painful procedure for the dubious reasons you prescribed. This is obviously an agonizing experience, and I completely agree with Steve's position on it. MGM is just as great a travesty as is FGM.
QuarterMaster69 wrote: March 8th, 2018, 8:45 pm I think circumcising an eleven year old boy is equivalent to raping him.
Excellent comments!

Imposition into someone's sexuality without their permission simply must be the definition of rape... and an 11yr old cannot consent.
Kathyd wrote: December 6th, 2017, 2:42 pm Really? You're going to go there? We all have different opinions on this, but I would think we'd all agree that it's not "child abuse".
I think at least 4 people do not agree. Stefan Molyneux is another and has 760,000 followers of whom I'd guess a substantial portion would also not agree. So you're up against at least 1/2 million of the internet's philosophy fans who also tend to be smarter than average. And that's just one channel; I'm sure I could find more.
I've seen real child abuse (both physical and sexual) and calling circumcision "child abuse" is really an insult to all survivors of this horrible crime.
Abuse can take many forms and we don't necessarily need bloodshed or excoriation to constitute abuse.

For instance, I've come to learn, in time, that my christian upbringing constituted abuse which has been further substantiated by this thread. A child has no choice in his brainwashing and he's lucky if he could ever come to a place of objective analysis such that a real choice could be made. Only now am I really able to "choose this day whom I shall serve." Half a lifetime of needless guilt for being unable to voluntarily do the involuntary was simply not warranted in my raising and it very much constituted abuse.

"How to do good I find not. For the good that I would, I do not; and the evil that I would not, that I do!" - Paul to the Romans.

St Thomas Aquinas argued that the law wasn't given with the expectation that we would follow it, but to show us that we cannot.

Christianity institutionalized guilt.

Where would I be in life had I not had to weigh that baggage against every decision.
If circumcision were really "child abuse" then naturally it would be a crime and would be illegal.
Give it time. There is often a period when things are legal until they are not. Anyway, legality has absolutely nothing to do with what is right.
But it isn't, and this shows how out of tune the people are who audaciously call circumcision "abuse".
1) blood
2) pain
3) psychological consequences

Nah, that's not abuse. Even if it weren't, it certainly isn't audacious to suspect that it is.
the pain. he passed out a few times from the ‘physical shock’ as she put it

but was caused by the extra stuff she did to further reduce sensitivity

it’s taking longer than we thought for his dorsal nerve to fully recover

At any rate, overall, I am satisfied. He’s masturbating less
All that pain and abuse just for that? You should be arrested and charged with child abuse. The only question remaining is whether the doctor should also be charged.
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Kathyd:
Well, he’s completely healed, and has been for a few weeks now.
Physically perhaps. The damage you cannot see may last a lifetime.
The procedure was more even more painful than I expected it to be.
… he passed out a few times from the ‘physical shock’
He was also in pain afterwards for quite a bit longer than I expected. He was still complaining about extreme pain during erections over a month afterwards,
All for the greater good of his mother’s sexual ambivalence.
At any rate, overall, I am satisfied.


Well that’s all that matters. You’re satisfied. Him, on the other hand, I seriously doubt it.
I also now have a practical means to help him curtail his habit
Why don’t you just cut off his hands? Or chemically castrate him? You can never be too careful.
So in the final analysis I would say it was pretty much a success.
From your perspective. I will refrain from saying more in order to not violate forum rules.
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I agree with everyone and, like Lucky, find it interesting that she dodged his question. I'll bet her son hates her guts....
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Is there a connection with thread on the Turpin child abuse case? (Use caution. It might be best not to post answers that make any kind of accusations.)
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