Circumcision. Seeking opinions based on personal experiences

[Eduk]

Well. Her idea of disturbing pornography might be different to my definition.
I do get what you are saying. But it is possibly less of a problem to use ineffective solutions to actual problems.
Less of a long term problem that is.

[Maxcady10001]

Eduk
You say less of a long term problem, but remember Kathyd's earlier post about the frustrated foreplay sessions she had with her previous circumcised boyfriend. A post which confuses me because she mentions more pleasurable sessions with her husband, but isn't her husband circumcised? How are the foreplay sessions different for her in pleasure between two circumcised men?
Also, I don't believe it has been explicitly said yet but the greater pleasure that comes with having a foreskin, is supposed to induce greater orgasms increasing the chance of conceiving. It is not useless. I also have to say it is the equivalent of female genital mutilation, isn't that also done for religious reasons? It is.
Also, I was circumcised as an infant, and am now jealous of all the pleasure I'm not getting.

[Atreyu]

Unbelievable! I just watched that video and that is most certainly "mutilation". I can't believe you would subject your son to such an incredibly painful procedure for the dubious reasons you prescribed. This is obviously an agonizing experience, and I completely agree with Steve's position on it. MGM is just as great a travesty as is FGM.

Also, I find it shocking that you describe how much better sex is, for both you and your husband, because he's not circumcised, and then describe how awful the sex was with your circumcised ex-bf, and use that as a reason for having him cut. Let me ask you something, is it really fair to permanently decrease his sexual pleasure, and that of his future wife (your daughter-in-law), just so you can feel a little more secure during his teenage years? Not to mention that it's not going to effect his libido, that just is what it is. He will still want to have sex, and will do it, it just won't feel as good. I find your "solution" incredibly excessive, ineffective, and even barbaric.

And just so you know, I feel the same way as Maxcady. I was also circumcised as a baby and resent my mother for having such a stupid thing done to me. And imho I think it's likely that your son will eventually feel the same way.

[Eduk]

I don't take Kathyd's testimony as the be all and end all. The studies I have linked are a little more scientific, in my opinion. Also they make sense, whereas her testimony makes no sense (again in my opinion). For example can you tell the difference between circumcised and uncircumcised if a condom is used? But anyway her personal experience may well be accurate for her, but not for all. For example I like football, my friend does not like football. We are both correct (depending).
I highly suspect you are not significantly missing out by the way Max.

[Maxcady10001]

Just went through the history of circumcision article you linked, and the evidence for circumcision seems shoddy in all of the cases for it. I still see circumcision as a barbarous act. Where are the other articles you linked? I can only find the ones by the Darcia, but it doesn't seem like anyone took what she said into serious consideration.

[Maxcady10001]

Atreyu
What kills me, is my mom's not even religious. I was circumcised for what?

[Kathyd]

Steve, I can appreciate that "education" is one's first choice, but I think this is unrealistic when it comes to boys and sex. Their bodies are simply too full of hormones for education to work in this area. I mean, you can educate them all you want, but it seems like whenever a hot girl is around they can't even think clearly, let alone behave themselves. For example, I've educated him about the dangers of porn over and over, yet I keep finding it on his computer. It just seems that when it comes to sex and teen boys, you can educate them all you want, but their natural impulses seem to always take precedence. So I think it's prudent consider all options when it comes to this issue, and yes, even surgery, particularly if that surgery has benefits in other areas as well.

Atreyu, I had to make my decision as a mother, not as a woman, so I don't feel guilty. As a mother, I had to base my decision on things a mother is concerned with and responsible for - his health, cleanliness, appearance, etc - not his future sex life. If I was making this decision as a woman, then I might be more concerned about the reduction in pleasure, but as his mother I'm more concerned with things like not having to go through another infection or worry about whether or not he's keeping himself clean down there, or worrying about him masturbating too much. As a mother I don't feel its my place to worry about his or my future daughter-in-law's sex life. That is not my place as a mother and, like I said, I don't think it will matter because neither of them will know anything different anyways. They will not know what they're missing, and any problems associated with the awful abrasiveness of a circumcised penis can at least be somewhat remedied by using lots of lube.

So I'm not concerned that my son will end up like you or Maxcaddy, and resent me for doing what I felt was in his best interests at the time. I'm sure he'll understand that I was doing was what I felt was best for him as a mother, and I'm honestly shocked that you would feel that way about your own mom. I really think you and maxcaddy need to grow up. There's a lot of things in life more important than sex, and imho it's not even that important in a true loving relationship, and I just think it's terrible that you would resent your own mother over such a trivial thing when she was just trying to do what she thought was best, like any good mother would.

[Eduk]

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Eduk]

Oh and max just Google science based medicine and circumcision. Or pub med circumcision. Papers shouldn't be too hard to find.

[Littlemoon]

Not to intrude, but removing the foreskin doesn't only affect his possible sex life. It can be far deeper than that, psychologically speaking. And the foreskin "infections" are rare but can be bothersome in people who have immunodeficiency. So if the boy is having tons of infections, the problem consists elsewhere most likely. Removing the foreskin doesn't treat the deeper problem.

[Kathyd]

Steve, I can appreciate that "education" is one's first choice, but I think this is unrealistic when it comes to boys and sex. Their bodies are simply too full of hormones for education to work in this area. I mean, you can educate them all you want, but it seems like whenever a hot girl is around they can't even think clearly, let alone behave themselves. For example, I've educated him about the dangers of porn over and over, yet I keep finding it on his computer. It just seems that when it comes to sex and teen boys, you can educate them all you want, but their natural impulses seem to always take precedence. So I think it's prudent consider all options when it comes to this issue, and yes, even surgery, particularly if that surgery has benefits in other areas as well.

Atreyu, I had to make my decision as a mother, not as a woman, so I don't feel guilty. As a mother, I had to base my decision on things a mother is concerned with and responsible for - his health, cleanliness, appearance, etc - not his future sex life. If I was making this decision as a woman, then I might be more concerned about the reduction in pleasure, but as his mother I'm more concerned with things like not having to go through another infection or worry about whether or not he's keeping himself clean down there, or worrying about him masturbating too much. As a mother I don't feel its my place to worry about his or my future daughter-in-law's sex life. That is not my place as a mother and, like I said, I don't think it will matter because neither of them will know anything different anyways. They will not know what they're missing, and any problems associated with the awful abrasiveness of a circumcised penis can at least be somewhat remedied by using lots of lube.

So I'm not concerned that my son will end up like you or Maxcaddy, and resent me for doing what I felt was in his best interests at the time. I'm sure he'll understand that I was doing was what I felt was best for him as a mother, and I'm honestly shocked that you would feel that way about your own mom. I really think you and maxcaddy need to grow up. There's a lot of things in life more important than sex, and imho it's not even that important in a true loving relationship, and I just think it's terrible that you would resent your own mother over such a trivial thing when she was just trying to do what she thought was best, like any good mother would.

[Maxcady10001]

Will do Eduk.

[Steve3007]

I'll leave this topic now. It's been very troubling to discover that there are people who perform surgery on their own children to try to to control their future sexual behaviour. Obviously I'd read about it in the context of female genital mutilation but I'd never actually talked to someone who does it before. Obviously there's nothing I can do about such people. They will no doubt go ahead and exert this control regardless of what anybody says. So I'm going to try to forget this topic and move on to lighter things.

[LuckyR]

Steve, I can appreciate that "education" is one's first choice, but I think this is unrealistic when it comes to boys and sex. Their bodies are simply too full of hormones for education to work in this area. I mean, you can educate them all you want, but it seems like whenever a hot girl is around they can't even think clearly, let alone behave themselves. For example, I've educated him about the dangers of porn over and over, yet I keep finding it on his computer. It just seems that when it comes to sex and teen boys, you can educate them all you want, but their natural impulses seem to always take precedence. So I think it's prudent consider all options when it comes to this issue, and yes, even surgery, particularly if that surgery has benefits in other areas as well.

Atreyu, I had to make my decision as a mother, not as a woman, so I don't feel guilty. As a mother, I had to base my decision on things a mother is concerned with and responsible for - his health, cleanliness, appearance, etc - not his future sex life. If I was making this decision as a woman, then I might be more concerned about the reduction in pleasure, but as his mother I'm more concerned with things like not having to go through another infection or worry about whether or not he's keeping himself clean down there, or worrying about him masturbating too much. As a mother I don't feel its my place to worry about his or my future daughter-in-law's sex life. That is not my place as a mother and, like I said, I don't think it will matter because neither of them will know anything different anyways. They will not know what they're missing, and any problems associated with the awful abrasiveness of a circumcised penis can at least be somewhat remedied by using lots of lube.

So I'm not concerned that my son will end up like you or Maxcaddy, and resent me for doing what I felt was in his best interests at the time. I'm sure he'll understand that I was doing was what I felt was best for him as a mother, and I'm honestly shocked that you would feel that way about your own mom. I really think you and maxcaddy need to grow up. There's a lot of things in life more important than sex, and imho it's not even that important in a true loving relationship, and I just think it's terrible that you would resent your own mother over such a trivial thing when she was just trying to do what she thought was best, like any good mother would.

So, any update? How are you and you son communicating?

[QuarterMaster69]

I think circumcising an eleven year old boy is equivalent to raping him.