What's happening here?

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Maxcady10001
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What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 10th, 2017, 10:06 pm

If you dislike one particular thing, do you dislike everything? Is detesting one aspect of reality, the same as detesting all of it? If a person says they don't like the outcome of a specific event, do they not like all previous and subsequent events of the outcome? It doesn't seem like anything can be picked from the whole of reality and be deemed more or less likable. Ex: If I say I do not like the way chairs are, consequently, I don't like the people who made the chairs, the reasons chairs are made, the people who continue to sit in chairs, the inventors of chairs, the suppliers of the chairs material, and every event leading up to and continuing the use of chairs.
The same would apply to anything a person likes, It would end up including every aspect of reality.

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Steve3007 » November 11th, 2017, 8:03 am

What you appear to be talking about here is the "fundamental interconnectedness of all things". i.e the fact that every event is one node in a complex web of causes and effects. You then seem to conclude from this that if you dislike one node, you have to dislike every node to which it is connected. i.e. everything.

I guess that would only be true if your dislike propagates through this web of cause/effect, from each node to the next, in a completely lossless way. If the web of cause and effect is a superconductor of dislike then, yes, if you dislike one thing you dislike everything. But I don't think it is. I think there is resistance.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." - Eric Cantona.

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 8:13 am

What is the resistance? If I were to destroy one node, in a system where all nodes are connected, wouldn't it ruin the flow of the entire system?

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Steve3007 » November 11th, 2017, 8:23 am

What is the resistance?
I suppose resistance might be caused by various things. Being a web, perhaps it would just be dispersion rather than resistance. You inject a certain quantity of dislike into the web at one node and as it spreads out it gets diluted.
If I were to destroy one node, in a system where all nodes are connected, wouldn't it ruin the flow of the entire system?
Only if it's a chain. Not if it's a web. Think of packet switching in the internet. Removing one computer from the web doesn't take down the entire internet.
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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 8:27 am

That's a good point about the system not being destroyed in a web, but if it's dispersion, how does dislike not spread to all nodes?

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Steve3007 » November 11th, 2017, 8:29 am

Maybe it does spread to all nodes, but gets so diluted in the process that it becomes indistinguishable from the random background level of dislike.
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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 8:38 am

So when disliking one thing, we are disliking everything? What you said before, about how destroying one node wouldn't ruin the flow of all nodes, would it just change the flow of the entire system?

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Chili » November 11th, 2017, 10:02 am

Maxcady10001 wrote:So when disliking one thing, we are disliking everything? What you said before, about how destroying one node wouldn't ruin the flow of all nodes, would it just change the flow of the entire system?
People respond to particular things. Not everyone overthinks - or even thinks - much about things like interconnectedness. People often imagine situations in terms of two sides or forces which are set off against one another: my sports team vs another, good vs evil, minimal government vs nanny state, etc, such that to dislike or even hate one thing is to be very much *for* the opposing thing. Humans very much like fresh food but generally despise rotting matter and there is no contradiction there that taints all of creation.

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 10:19 am

I would disagree about the contradiction. If a person says they like one sports team and hate another, that has to be a contradiction considering interconnectedness.

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Chili » November 11th, 2017, 11:15 am

Maxcady10001 wrote:I would disagree about the contradiction. If a person says they like one sports team and hate another, that has to be a contradiction considering interconnectedness.
You are assiduously overthinking. My favorite joke about overthinking is the one from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

In a comical reversal of the image of the ostrich with its head in the sand, the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal is described as assuming that if you can't see it, then it can't see you.

And thus you can defend yourself against it by wrapping a towel around your head.

A lion chases zebras to eat them rather than chasing elephants - is this some sort of "contradiction" ?

-- Updated November 11th, 2017, 11:19 am to add the following --

ok, sometimes lions attack and eat elephants. There are smells that people will tend to gravitate toward and others that people will flee from. Can you describe how this is some kind of contradiction?

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Burning ghost » November 11th, 2017, 11:21 am

I think I know the heart of the issue, but most people just don't like admitting it and talk of some serene idea of 'unity' without realizing the path to such nonsense never ends and is full of pain and suffering, and it may be for nothing.

Your dislike is dislike of yourself. Come to terms with all you hate in the world by understanding it is you at the heart, it is you effected, it is you who frames things the way you do.

It is really hard to really understand the seemingly endless depths this goes to. It is truly horrific to face let alone to begin to deal with it. If you've no idea what I'm talking about then be thankful for now, but be sure I am not talking in metaphors here. There is nothing more real and brutal than yourself, nothing more dangerously beautiful, hideously destructive or empty of meaning.

No one of sane mind will willfully seek out their own limit and teeter on the brink.
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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 11:24 am

You're just mentioning biological differences, specifically pepoles reaction to different pheromones.

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Burning ghost » November 11th, 2017, 12:01 pm

Max -

Who on earth is that reply for?
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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 11th, 2017, 12:07 pm

Chili said some people react to certain smells in different ways.

-- Updated November 11th, 2017, 12:47 pm to add the following --

Burning Ghost
You mention all like or dislike stemming from like or dislike of oneself. How would you organize everything, as a chain or a web? If it all stems from oneself, it must be a chain. By everything, I mean the nodes me and Steve3007 were referring to earlier, the nodes making up every event and outcome.

-- Updated November 11th, 2017, 12:52 pm to add the following --

Steve3007
What do you think of Burning Ghost' organization of everything liked or disliked with oneself at the center? If oneself is at the center does the system of nodes become a chain?

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Re: What's happening here?

Post by Georgeanna » November 11th, 2017, 12:29 pm

Maxcady10001 wrote:Chili said some people react to certain smells in different ways.
Please ignore all of my previous posts which have still to be approved, and so you cannot see at this particular moment of writing. **

I get it. This thread is deliberately tangled in the way of a mystery murder.
It's murder, Jim, but not as we know it.
It's an holistic investigation as per Douglas Adam's Dirk Gently who operates on the fundamental interconnectedness of all things.
Now, do I get a prize, or what ??
Approval would do :)

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