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Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Syamsu » November 16th, 2017, 2:00 pm

Creationism is the philosophy people already know intuitively, because it underlies all reasoning in common discourse. What makes creationist philosophy stand out among other philosophies is that it validates both subjective opinion and objective fact, each in their own right. All the other philosophies just validate objective fact. If you learn this philosophy you wil have a sharp mind.


Creationism : the idea that reality consists of creator and creation, where choice is the mechanism by which things are created (choice : to make an alternative future the present)

Subjective opinion (like beauty) applies to the creator category.

A subjective opinion is formed by choice, and is about what makes a choice.

Objective fact applies to the creation category.

An objective fact is obtained by evidence forcing to produce a 1 to 1 corresponding model of a creation.


Examples:
In investigating the police try to reconstruct what happened. "he came at her with a knife", "he held the knife high". These words produce a picture which supposedly corresponds 1 to 1 with what occurred. That is what facts are.

To say "I find this painting beautiful". The opinion is formed by spontaneous expression of emotion with free will, the opinion it is "ugly" could also have been chosen. The word "beautiful" refers to a love for the way the painting looks. Out of this love the word "beautiful" was chosen. But remember, the opinion it is "ugly" could also have been chosen. So the existence of this love is not a fact, but also a matter of opinion. That means it is equally valid to form the opinion that this love does NOT exist, as to choose the opinion that this love for the painting does exist.

So you see, just like reality is split into creator and creation, people are also split into creator and creation. The body and brain are creations, so it is a matter of objective fact what they consist of. But the emotions of someone, they are motivation to choices, they are doing the creating. So it is a matter of opinion whether someone is loving or hateful.

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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Greta » November 16th, 2017, 9:44 pm

So you are still pushing your version of creationism?

To prevent any pointless fire storms, Syamsu has his own version of "creationism" that he promotes which is not the same as the Big Ban in the Sky creator.

In topics like these where no one has a clue what the actual truth is and thus just guess, there seem to be two sides:

1. Consciousness first, then matter, with the idea being that first there was consciousness existing in a non physical domain from which matter emerges, and over time the matter changes to ever more resemble the original consciousness. So here, God or Its products are manifesting physically.

2. Matter first, with consciousness as emergent, as is observed in life generally, such as our own journey from a primitively-conscious infant to a self conscious being. With this approach, beings whom we would interpret as godlike may well evolve somewhere in the universe in the distant future.

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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Burning ghost » November 17th, 2017, 2:16 am

Syamsu -

You're setting yourself up for conflict. I think many people suggested to you last time that altering some of the terminology would make possible discourse more manageable for those reading and produce some better material for you to work with.

TO ALL -

Those new to this idea should replace the term "creationism" with some other placeholder or you'll likely misdirect yourself. I would suggest something like "nascent", "geneticism" (although that has its own biological baggage) or perhaps "organic nativism"?

Basically don't assume a Biblical interpretation for which this term is most widely applied.

Good luck
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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Syamsu » November 17th, 2017, 12:34 pm

I can only shake my head at the obvious lack of intellectual honesty. What the **** do you propose to call a philosophy which fundamentally separates reality into creator and creation, if not creationism?

Creationism is great. Establishing the anchor points of all human reasoning, subjective opinion and objective fact.

All who complain about it, they all leave subjective opinion hanging in the lurch. And that obviously leads to ignoring people's emotions, total evil.

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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Burning ghost » November 17th, 2017, 1:21 pm

Go ahead and have several arguments with people, again, and getting angry, again, because you fail to understand that using a term, which already has a whole load of baggage attached to it, in your own personal way is going to cause endless confusion and dead-ended argumentation.

BYE! :)
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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Syamsu » November 17th, 2017, 1:40 pm

In the future creationism will be accepted again as the generic assumed philosophy. Once people realize the evil materialists do in destroying subjective opinion, materialism will be removed. But as of now parents, which to my mind are the people who have the power, still just send their kids to materialistic schools and universities, where their kids become emotionally crippled to a very significant extent.

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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Steve3007 » November 17th, 2017, 3:44 pm

Syamsu!

Welcome back. creationism with a small 'c'. All that stuff about choice and subjectivity. The evils of making morality objective. The insistence that nobody in the world except you knows the difference between fact and opinion. Six years on exactly the same subject because the world just won't listen. It's all good.

Excellent stuff. Do your thing.
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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Syamsu » November 17th, 2017, 3:59 pm

My philosophy is great, and I am great. I am the only one on these forums who has intellectual integrity. It's because I pay attention to the emotional basis I bring to a debate. Everybody else doesn't have the emotions ready to rise up above their prejudices.

I was spending time on facebook groups. Holy hell, the atheists there are plainly fascist. Atheists are the worst for prejudices. They are some kind of ultra bureaucrats of the scientific method. The kind of scientific method where everything in the universe must be similar to a steam engine. Cause and effect, everything forced, it is so incredibly stupid. I cannot believe how fascistic and stupid the atheists on facebook are.

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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Steve3007 » November 17th, 2017, 4:35 pm

So you've left the facebook groups and come back to the philosophy club eh? You get a better class of atheist here. Although, obviously, they still do the whole making opinions into facts thing. I know you hate that.
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Re: Actually good practical philosophy

Post by Greta » November 17th, 2017, 5:45 pm

Syamsu wrote:I can only shake my head at the obvious lack of intellectual honesty. What the **** do you propose to call a philosophy which fundamentally separates reality into creator and creation, if not creationism?

Creationism is great. Establishing the anchor points of all human reasoning, subjective opinion and objective fact.

All who complain about it, they all leave subjective opinion hanging in the lurch. And that obviously leads to ignoring people's emotions, total evil.
Syamsu, but this forum no longer tolerates this level of ill-willed behaviour. There are other forums that do tolerate it. This one does not. So the thread is being locked.

For future reference, instead of responding to different view with ad hominem attacks, if you feel someone does not understand, you have the option of PATIENTLY explain your position more clearly.

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