Atreyu wrote:Dachshund wrote:The basic reason is simply because there is, in fact, no such thing as a moderate, peace-loving Muslim. All persons who identify as practising Muslims should be understood as being, in a very real sense, violent extremists, and I would be happy to explain why this for those who are interested, or, debate it with anyone who disagrees.
I agree with an absolute ban on Muslims, but my reasoning is far different than yours and I utterly reject your above premise as racist and ignorant. Many Muslims are moderate and peace loving, and, in fact, that is probably the norm. Many would even prefer
not living under Sharia law, perhaps even a majority.
My reason for banning them is simply that it's too difficult for them to assimilate
en mass, and that eventually, if the current trend continues, their presence will ultimately lead to the destruction of all Western civilization and the principles on which it was founded.
In other words, multiculturalism does not work at all, and, in fact, is
simply a fancy word for decay....
Atreyu,
No, it is YOU, my friend, who is - alas (!)- [ad hominem attack removed, warning issued].
Like many in the West it is perfectly clear that you simply do not understand Islam and have evidently been duped by the politically correct propaganda -that continues to be promulgated by its left-leaning,"progressive" academics, the liberal political orthodoxy and their echo chambers in the mainstream media- into swallowing the myth of the good, peace-loving "moderate" Muslim majority. The fact is, that the term "moderate" Muslim is an oxymoron, and anyone with even a modest knowledge of Islam and its sacred scriptures (the Koran and the Sunnah) knows that this is indeed the case. Before I explain why, I will ask you to carefully note that when I use the term "Muslim" I am referring, in a strict sense, to a person who is a bone fide follower of the Islamic faith as it is revealed in the Koran and the collected deeds, teachings and sayings of the prophet Mohammed that are recorded in the Sunnah. I also stipulate that a Muslim is one who conscientiously observes the articles of Sharia law. ( For example, if a certain person is an ethnic Arab, was born in a Muslim majority state like Iraq, had Muslim parents ( who were bone fide followers of Islam and raised him/her in the Islamic faith as a child), but, as an adult, immigrated to the West, currently resides in, say London or New York, and has now completely washed their hands of their former Islamic faith and observance of Sharia law, I would NOT regard that person to be a Muslim in any sense of the term.)
In today's Western societies, as Steve mentioned in one of his posts on this thread, we see many ordinary, everyday Muslims: doctors, civil servants, university students, shop owners, lawyers, stay- at- home mothers, bankers, teachers, clerks, car salesmen, plumbers, accountants, computer programmers, electricians, scientists and so on, all of whom appear to be good, law-abiding citizens an are ostensibly peace-loving "moderate" Muslims who have no connection whatsoever with the violent extremism of a small, perverse minority of radical, militant Islamic extremists who perpetrate murderous acts of terrorism, such as the recent atrocities in New York, Manchester, Paris and the City of London, etc.
The truth of the matter is that although they may only play a passive support role , all of these so-called good, "moderate" Muslims have the same ultimate goal; i.e. to defeat the enemies of Islam, and there are many ways to engage in "jihad" beside utiliizing personal physical violence. The "peaceful" Muslims we observe in countries like the US, the UK , Australia and the like are playing this passive support role in order to realise the ultimate goal of conquering the world for Islam by wiping out the infidel and his civilizations. Islam, just like the Roman god Janus, has two faces: the militant Muslim is the person who is literally cutting of the head of the infidel while the moderate Muslim holds the victim's feet.
In modern Western societies where Muslims are a minority, they co-opt the (generous) provisions of the dominant liberal/democratic culture by demanding ever more rights and privileges and funds for minorities from the host country. When their numbers grow by birth or immigration, they then want to impose Sharia law ( in the UK, the East End of London and many districts of Birmingham, among other places, are a good examples of where this has already happened). When they become the majority, they start to bring death and destruction to the host nation and begin ethnic cleansing. This is the worst type of of disloyalty and hypocrisy.
It is exactly the same as what Mohammed did to the early Meccans. When he was weak, he brought down verses, which praised the pagan gods ( i.e. the "satanic verses") to make the Meccans happy. But when he became powerful, his darker side increasingly emerged, and the Koranic verses began lose their beauty. Once he conquered Mecca, he showed his true colours to everyone - either convert or die by the sword!
Though concerned governments, such as those in the West spend billions to protect their citizens from Islamic "jihadis", the policy-makers often fail to see this point. They are making the same mistake as the early Meccans did. They realise the impact of radical Islam, but fail to pay attention to moderate Islam. Little do they understand that this so-called moderate Islam is much more dangerous than radical Islam, because it grows silently and kills the host by stealth and deception. It is impossible for a Muslim to live and commune within non-Islamic societies without an obligation to convert them to Islam by force or deception, (the Koran make this perfectly clear). Islamic "jihad" has many faces, it is not just slaughtering people for Islam; it is also the systematic suppression of truth and promulgation of lies and deceitful dissimulation. If not, how can the moderate Muslims boldly assert (despite hard evidence to the contrary) that Islam is a peaceful religion ?
The slogan "Islam is a religion of peace" is about 1400 years out of date. The seed of terrorism is germinating inside every Muslim. Anyone who puts a grain of trust on Mohammed and the Koran, fills up his mind with unjustifiable hate and paranoia, and he is bound to harbour the same kind of destructive ideas as his prophet. The sinister force of Mohammed's narcissism immediately starts working in him.
Even now after more than a 15 years into the war on Islamic terror, we often hear that Islam is a religion of peace. While those so-called peaceful Muslims use this term for obvious reasons, those, who know Islam, use the term sarcastically. Terrorism is in every cell of Islam. Those who are against terrorism have no place in Islam; they are infidels. The prophet Mohammed's 7th century assertion is that abandoning the cause of "jihad" is a disgraceful act tantamount to leaving the Islamic religion.
"Jihad" in the name of Allah is an integral part of a Muslim's life. Violence against non-Muslims is not a twisting of Islam, but is repeatedly affirmed in the Koran, the Hadith and the teachings of Mohammed, and the rulings of every school of Islamic jurisprudence. Muslim terrorists are not "hijacking" Islam; they are, in fact, restoring it. Without terrorism, Islam will suffocate and collapse in quick lime. This history of Islam is an outrageous millenium long devil -dance of murder, massacre, rape and plunder, trickery, treachery and torture across the world from the day of its inception. The peaceful face of Islam is a deception. It is political Islam, which is the mask of violent Islam. As a recent Turkish Prime Minister commented; "These descriptions. It is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".
The only difference between a peaceful Muslima and a terrorist Muslim is that terrorists act openly and are not shy in making their agenda known to non-Muslims, whereas peaceful Muslims are hypocrites who act silently and slyly. Muslims cannot be a loyal minority, and as their numbers and strength increase, they will demand to impose Islamic laws and systems on their hosts. In fact, the Koran instructs them not to live as minorities, but to try to take over. Their allegiance is always to the wider world of Islam over any national boundaries. As a prominent American Muslim spokesman Siraj Wahaj advised Muslims in North America: "If only Muslims were clever politically, they could take over the United States and replace constitutional government with a caliphate".
Islam and terrorism are blood brothers. In the wake of the two London bombings in 2005, al-Ghurabaa, one of the most radical Islamic groups in Britain stated: "Any Muslim that believes that terror is a part of Islam is "kafir" (non-believer)". And a similar self-explanatory statement from Zakir Naik was: "Every Muslim should be a terrorist". These so-called peaceful Muslims are very calculative and proceed in a highly sophisticated manner. For instance, the influential American convert to Islam, Hamza Yusuf, exhorted Muslims to advance strategically in their goals, saying: "There are times when you have to live like a sheep, in order to live a future like a lion".
This is called "al-taqiyya" (legal deception or dissimulation) in Islam, which allows Muslims to literally deny any aspect of their faith, and it is defined as follows: "Taqiyya is merely uttering of the tongue, while the heart is comfortable with faith". These so-called moderate, peaceful Muslims give long speeches extolling the virtues of Western human rights and democratic values and singing the peaceful verses (i.e. what author Salman Rushdie famously dubbed the "Satanic Verses") of the Koran, but once Islam becomes powerful, they begin to sing an entirely different tune. The fundamental concept of universal, equal human rights, developed in the West with the work of English philosophers like John Locke in the 17th century and later Enlightenment era thinkers, have not had the slightest impact on Islam even to this day. Hard-line Muslims have openly admitted this fact. In January of 1985, Saeed Raja'i-Khorasani, the permanent delegate to the United Nations from the Islamic Republic of Iran, declared, for example: "The very concept of human rights is a Judeo-Christian invention and inadmissible in Islam".
The so-called peaceful Muslims would not hesitate to implement "Jyzia" tax on Christians and Jews, and slit the throats of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, ex-Muslims and agnostics in accordance with Sharia law. Deep down, every "believer" is potentially the judge and executioner of every "nonbeliever". After all, both the terrorists and the peaceful Muslims are working for the same cause - to dominate the world in the name of Islam as they are explicitly commanded by Allah in such verses as (9:29) of the Koran.
Since the noblest goal of a Muslim is to assist Islamic rule of the world, these "moderate" Muslims shamelessly endeavour to deceive the infidel with their twisted logic and pathological lying. They reiterate the same lies again and again as though thinking that it they become true if repeated often enough. If necessary, they will distort the meaning of Koranic verses in accordance with their selfish needs.For instance, Imam Ghazali said: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying, because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible". Similarly, as Imam Jafar Sadiq advised,
"One, who exposes something from our religion,
is like one who intentionally kills us."
"You belong to a religion that whosoever conceals
it, Allah will honor him and whosoever reveals it,
Allah will disgrace and humiliate him."
The peaceful, "moderate" Muslims and the extremist, terrorist Muslims are merely two sides of the one coin. For a peaceful Muslim, it is very easy to become a terrorist. Hate for non-Muslims is a fundamental tenet of Islam and violence is the conclusion. As the Ayatollah Sadegh Khalkhali, a hard-line Iranian Judge openly declared: "Those who are against killing have no place in Islam. Our Prophet killed with his own blessed hands. Our Imam Ali killed more than 700 on a single day. If the survival of the faith requires the shedding of blood, we are there to perform our duty".
So, when a so-called peaceful, "moderate" Muslim emerges as a terrorist it does not involve a discrete choice to change status. Thanks to the teachings of Islam, a terrorist is lurking inside every Muslim waiting for a chance to come out. For example, the Koran states, "When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them..." A son of a Pakistani businessman was inspired by this verse and took the chilling oath: "I state in the presence of God that I will slaughter the infidels my entire life. May God give me strength in fulfilling this oath". Throughout the entire recorded history of Islam there is no recorded tradition of pacifism, the Koran, the holiest religious book, has instead turned men into monsters. Muslims, generation after generation, have taken up the Koran's teachings and transfigured themselves into brutal weapons of injustice, oppression and domination.
Islamic terrorism is a complex phenomenon; hence, the personalities of terrorists change from person to person. It would be futile to try and attribute a simple and global characteristic to all of them. In Islam terrorists can assume many roles - only a few will actually fire the weapon or detonate the bomb. The "personality" of a Muslim politician, or a Mullah, or a financier of Islamic terrorism, or a burqa-clad, illiterate Muslim woman, who gives birth to a dozen kids because a large family pleases Allah, or the simple, pious Muslim, who pays the regular Zakat to the mosque, is different from that of an administrator or strategist, or an assassin or a suicide bomber. This is the essence of "jihad" that has been widely discussed in Islamic books on religious laws. Though some systematic differences might be discerned between those who engage in terrorism and those who do not; deep down, they have an identical psychological set-up. Taylor and Quale, the two well-known research academics whose work is focused on modern-day religious terrorism, have concluded that: "The active terrorist is not discernibly different in psychological terms from the non-terrorist; in psychological terms, there are no special qualities that characterise the terrorist".
Moreover who can deny the fact that the the radical clerics and militant community leaders are elected through these moderate Muslims? Though experts estimate that 10 to 15 percent of the world's Muslims support "jihadist" agenda, there are indications from various parts of the Islamic world that the actual number is much higher. During a terrorism finance trial in New York, Bernard Haykel, an associate professor of Islamic studies at New York University, estimated that around 90% of the Arab Muslims support Hamas - the Islamic terrorist organization that blows up buses and restaurants filled with civilians to further its goals of a Pakistanian Sharia state. In addition to this, Dr Imran Waheed, the London spokesman for the international "peaceful" jihadist group, Hizb ut-Tahir, recently claimed that 99 percent of Muslims worldwide want a caliphate to rule the world. These statistics strongly suggest that those Muslims, who support terrorism, are not a tiny minority but a vast majority.
In reality, peaceful, "moderate" Islam does not exist. A peaceful Muslim is an oxymoron that makes about as much sense as the term "peaceful Nazi". "Al Islam huwa al hall" (" Islam is the solution") is not a slogan raised by terrorists only, but by all Muslims. The nouns "terrorist" or "terrorists" don't necessarily refer to everyone within a terrorist organization. In an army, not everyone carries a gun. There are many non-fighting members, e.g. cooks, accountants, medical doctors, nurse or recruiters - who may play only a passive support role. But all of them have the same ultimate goal, i.e. to defeat the enemy. Similarly, there are many ways to support "jihad", besides personal violence. The so-called "moderate", peaceful Muslims we know are playing this passive support role and their overarching goal is to conquer the world for Islam by wiping out the infidels and their civilizations.
Regards
John
