Why the West must ban Muslim immigration

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Re: Why the West must ban Muslim immigration

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Spectrum wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 1:56 am I believe we need to qualify, ideologies [religion or otherwise] in this case, Islam which is aggressively striving for World domination, has no room for integration with the rest of humanity, holy text is loaded with loads evil laden elements and all these are based on immutable holy texts, their believers i.e. Muslims [nothing personal] must be banned from entering majority non-Muslim countries.

The above stance is not based on unwarranted fears but supported by facts & evidences of terrible evils and violence all over the world traceable to verses in the immutable holy texts.

The other point is it is difficult to find out which Muslim [an existing natural percentile] has an active evil tendency who could strike anytime when inspired by the immutable evil laden element in the holy texts.

As for those Muslims who are already citizens of a country it is illegal to strip them of their citizenship. Nevertheless minority Muslims in any country must be monitored carefully until there is an general solution to deal with the inherent evils of the religion.
The survey I presented does indicate that extremist views are much more common than claimed. That is very concerning. However, I cannot justify the careful monitoring of Muslims if it is not purely public monitoring or with a warrant for that monitoring. The release of the FISA memo in the U.S. yesterday just dropped a bombshell about the level of corruption of intelligence agencies and how it is being used for political agendas.

But I also wish to disagree that the religion is "inherently" evil. The Bible taken literally can provide for some nasty actions as well, but those in the West have generally been able to detach from those passages which we can see as harmful or out-dated. We need to learn from the Indians who have a long tradition of separating the core-spiritual teachings, shruti, from the social injunctions, or smriti. It's a matter of small minds and brainwashing that people take the Quran as literal word of God, not that Islam itself is inherently evil; just look at the Sufi branch of Islam to see what I mean.
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Frost wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 12:57 am
Littlemoon wrote: February 2nd, 2018, 9:18 pm She provided a number of NCBI articles which is a big base of scientific data. If those aren't actual scientific papers, then all the scientific papers in there are a lie. Besides, her view is a compilation of things she read which she copied the articles that cement her view.

I'd also like to know how that isn't relevant for humans?
She posted information on in-breeding, varied diet, and ecosystems. The topic is about racial/cultural diversity. The one relevant article posted didn't even properly cite the paper referenced so I could not find it. That's not a good reference.
No, I said that diversity was important in both nature and culture and you demanded evidence.

So I provided it. Now you complain because you were demonstrably proved wrong.
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Greta wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:22 pm
Frost wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 12:57 am

She posted information on in-breeding, varied diet, and ecosystems. The topic is about racial/cultural diversity. The one relevant article posted didn't even properly cite the paper referenced so I could not find it. That's not a good reference.
No, I said that diversity was important in both nature and culture and you demanded evidence.

So I provided it. Now you complain because you were demonstrably proved wrong.
Wow, you got me there. I guess I just assumed that bringing up diversity in a thread on Muslim immigration was in reference to cultural or racial diversity.

But you've got to be kidding me that I was "demonstrably proven wrong" because a varied diet is good for you. What the bloody hell. Did you bump your head? Had a few too many glasses of wine? The intellectual standards around here is often frightfully low.

YES, you are right! We should not ban Muslim immigration because a varied diet is good for you!
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Frost wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:40 pm
Greta wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:22 pm
No, I said that diversity was important in both nature and culture and you demanded evidence.

So I provided it. Now you complain because you were demonstrably proved wrong.
Wow, you got me there. I guess I just assumed that bringing up diversity in a thread on Muslim immigration was in reference to cultural or racial diversity.

But you've got to be kidding me that I was "demonstrably proven wrong" because a varied diet is good for you. What the bloody hell. Did you bump your head? Had a few too many glasses of wine? The intellectual standards around here is often frightfully low.

YES, you are right! We should not ban Muslim immigration because a varied diet is good for you!
If you cannot understand the general principle of diversity being beneficial in nature and culture, that is not my problem. If you do not that general principles can run through various domains, that is not my problem.

Speaking endlessly, sprouting blinkered and naive ideologies, impermeable to discussion, that don't take real life into account, and with a high noise-to-signal ratio, is not actually demonstrating high "intellectual standards". It's just babbling.
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Greta wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:54 pm If you cannot understand the general principle of diversity being beneficial in nature and culture, that is not my problem. If you do not that general principles can run through various domains, that is not my problem.
Umm, you need to demonstrate that.

But wait! You couldn't even provide a single valid citation for the one article that might actually do that. It was too much work, apparently, which really means you just googled an article, posted it, not realizing that there was no valid citation, and you couldn't provide the citation because you haven't read the research. But yeah, just google it and then say "Hah! Got yah!" Please.
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Yes Frost. We all have "intellectual low standards" when it comes to you. Articles from pubmed, NCBI, harvard data base is such a low standard.
It's amusing to be quite honest, you know nothing of me, you don't know what I do for a living. I certainly don't know anything about you but you don't see me flaunting the low intellectual standards at you. If you ask me, that's disrespectful.
You should probably look yourself in the mirror when it comes down to providing sources. YouTube links arent exactly the type of "intellectual" superior standards.

Greta I don't know how you can have so much patience. It's like teaching an arrogant student how to cite them right and do research. You need to tell me what's your secret of so much patience.
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Littlemoon wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 9:14 pm Yes Frost. We all have "intellectual low standards" when it comes to you. Articles from pubmed, NCBI, harvard data base is such a low standard.
And the one relevant article didn't even have a proper citation. Amazing. How am I to verify any of the claims by reading the research? I'm supposed to just believe it?

When I ask for a single proper citation from an article posted that's hardly asking for a "thesis." That's just stupid, and who you are or what you do doesn't change that. It doesn't matter if you're a Nobel Laureate or a janitor.
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Frost wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 9:23 pm
Littlemoon wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 9:14 pm Yes Frost. We all have "intellectual low standards" when it comes to you. Articles from pubmed, NCBI, harvard data base is such a low standard.
And the one relevant article didn't even have a proper citation. Amazing. How am I to verify any of the claims by reading the research? I'm supposed to just believe it?

When I ask for a single proper citation from an article posted that's hardly asking for a "thesis." That's just stupid, and who you are or what you do doesn't change that. It doesn't matter if you're a Nobel Laureate or a janitor.
That just proves it you didn't read the article. There is such a thing called subscription. Don't discredit an article or the database just because you can't access it. If you want the citations so badly, pay the 6$ fee and you will have all the citations to your hearts content.
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Littlemoon wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 9:42 pm That just proves it you didn't read the article. There is such a thing called subscription. Don't discredit an article or the database just because you can't access it. If you want the citations so badly, pay the 6$ fee and you will have all the citations to your hearts content.
The BS keeps getting worse. I accessed the full article. You get access to three free articles before they require a subscription to view. There is no mention of the title of the paper let alone an actual citation. For crying out loud how much ******** are you going to spew?
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I sympathize for you. I really do. Good luck accessing the actual full article without paying the fee.

I'm done talking to arrogant people. You are such an intellectual superior standard man/woman/it when the only resource to prove a point is via ad hominem!

I'm out.
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Greta wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:54 pm If you cannot understand the general principle of diversity being beneficial in nature and culture, that is not my problem. If you do not that general principles can run through various domains, that is not my problem.
Generally diversity of 'good' things is inherently positive for humanity and nature.
Here is a list of diversity in various aspects of life;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity

But one reservation is whilst we must promote diversity, we cannot include proven evil elements into the mix except in controlled situations, e.g. to improve immunity against various diseases.

I agree the diversity of religions is a welcome [at least in the present to near future only] but we should be very cautious with The Religion of Peace which is inherently evil [proof available] and against diversity.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.
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Spectrum wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 11:51 pm
Greta wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:54 pmIf you cannot understand the general principle of diversity being beneficial in nature and culture, that is not my problem. If you do not that general principles can run through various domains, that is not my problem.
Generally diversity of 'good' things is inherently positive for humanity and nature.
Here is a list of diversity in various aspects of life;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity

But one reservation is whilst we must promote diversity, we cannot include proven evil elements into the mix except in controlled situations, e.g. to improve immunity against various diseases.

I agree the diversity of religions is a welcome [at least in the present to near future only] but we should be very cautious with The Religion of Peace which is inherently evil [proof available] and against diversity.
Sure, which is why immigration screening is done and quotas set. The issue is really in the conflict of interest between corporations, who want to import more customers and workers, and the people, who want to not be crammed together like sardines with people whose ways are intrusive.
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Why The Religion of Peace is inherently evil?
Note this;

Dutch Muslim children say either convert to I-slam or die.

Note even children has such beliefs. The question where did these children get such ideas?
Answer: From sources directly or indirectly from the Q-uran.

The point is no Muslims would dare to deliberately twist any words of A-llah in the Q-uran, if they do so, they are so sure they will end up burning in the dreaded Hell.
Thus whatever the children in the video stated are believed to be truths from A-llah which they learned directly from Q-uran or from their mosques, parents, preachers, etc.

There is also no possibility of these children are exposed to misinterpretations of the verses in the Q-uran.
A serious research into the Q-uran will enable one to confirm what I claim re the above is true.

The above is one of the reason why it is definitely on the safer side 'Why the West must ban Muslim immigration.'
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.
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Thanks for that lecture, Spectrum, and leaving so much room for discussion.
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Greta wrote: February 4th, 2018, 3:31 am Thanks for that lecture, Spectrum, and leaving so much room for discussion.
Well, you have to admit that YouTube videos (which are anecdotal at best) are the be-all, end-all when it comes to "winning" arguments.
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