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Dlaw -

Sexual discrimination is hardly a step in the right direction. A handful of murderous men doesn't make all men murderers anymore than a handful of suicide bombers makes all muslims suicide bombers.
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The Free World has fought long and hard in its attempt the rid the World of the Tyranny of Religious Law, Morality.

Islam rejects the Rule of Law; what the hell; is ruled by Islamic Law, Morality, Sharia,
Are we really so stupid.
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Burmong Ghost; A handful of murderous men doesn't make all men murderers anymore than a handful of suicide bombers makes all muslims suicide bombers.
Don't Forget all Muslims are subject to Islaic Law, Shara; God allowing for Honor Killings and Female Circumcision, mutilations.

It is the desire of Islam to rid the World of Freedom of Expression, the Rule of Law.

Islamic Law, Morality, Sharia to Rule the World.
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Dlaw; we could eliminate a lot of the worries about immigration by allowing in only women and girls.
The Fundamentalist Muslim Male believes that all Evil is born of Woman.
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Wayne92587 wrote: January 15th, 2018, 1:18 pm
Dlaw; we could eliminate a lot of the worries about immigration by allowing in only women and girls.
That won't' work, according to Islamic religious tradition, women are subhuman, are the cause of all suffering, wickedness.
Bingo, so they are oppressed, so they get first priority coming here to a secular country.

If they chose to go back to the belief that they are intrinsically inferior, in the absence of Muslim men, then what can we do? Islam HAD secular movements in it, but those movements got co-opted and generally ended in disaster for various reasons.

America is the perfect place for Islam to develop secular movements and Islamic feminism is a perfect way to start.
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Burning ghost wrote: January 15th, 2018, 1:24 pm Dlaw -

Sexual discrimination is hardly a step in the right direction. A handful of murderous men doesn't make all men murderers anymore than a handful of suicide bombers makes all muslims suicide bombers.

Again IF the point is TO DISCRIMINATE against potentially violent people and NOT TO DISCRIMINATE on the basis of religion or ethnicity, then discriminating on the basis of gender makes a lot of sense.

Again IF AND ONLY IF your goal is a broad enough discrimination against potentially violent people to keep out 95% of the criminals and terrorists you would otherise import.
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Dlaw -

There is literally no moral grounding for openly discriminating against an entire group of people by association when the proportion committing crimes are so minute. Such nonsense leads to calling all Caucasians "white supremacists" and all people of African decent "criminal."

If that is the kind of "rationality" you favour I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror before you start saying taller and stronger men are more dangerous and should therefore be put behind bars so women feel more protected and safe.

Radical feminism is still radicalism. It is a slippery slope to violence.
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Burning ghost wrote: January 15th, 2018, 2:32 pm Dlaw -

There is literally no moral grounding for openly discriminating against an entire group of people by association when the proportion committing crimes are so minute. Such nonsense leads to calling all Caucasians "white supremacists" and all people of African decent "criminal."

If that is the kind of "rationality" you favour I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror before you start saying taller and stronger men are more dangerous and should therefore be put behind bars so women feel more protected and safe.

Radical feminism is still radicalism. It is a slippery slope to violence.
Yes, of course that's true. The point is one I make to people who take the "no risk is acceptable" view. If no risk of cartel gangsters or jihadist terrorists is what's important to you, then discriminating against Mexicans or Iraqis is stupid when you can just discriminate against men and be done with the whole question.

And the thing is we DO put almost exclusively men behind bars to make people feel safe from violence - and it works!

Absent drug crimes and prostitution, there would be basically no women behind bars except a very, very few female psychopaths. The male prison population would not change that much. We know because we've already tried this.

Depending the level of violence in society is roughly 50% of the level of violence among males. End of demographic story.
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Surprise surprise. I didn't even see this thread until now (maybe for a good reason)

For banning Muslims out of Europe, I only have this to say:

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Littlemoon -

Most people's grandparents are dead now. That is likely the problem. No one is left to remember and drive home the horrors of the twentieth century.
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Littlemoon wrote: January 15th, 2018, 5:43 pmBut of course of these "governments" it is far easier to dictate and instill xenophobia behind a thick curtain that sees no people but numbers.

It is shameful! No better word can describe this.
I do not see this as simply as you do. Terrorists are an excuse. The main reason is that Europe is already groaning under the pressure of overpopulation. Should governments - chosen by the people to represent them - allow in so many extra migrants that it significantly and permanently reduces the voters' standards of living? How many refugees would each of us be prepared to permanently take into our homes - sacrificing our comfort to save lives?

The situation has been caused by corrupt governments in the Middle East exploiting and dominating, rather than representing, the people. Their gross negligence has shunted the responsibility for the safety of millions of people on to European governments, who are now forced to choose between the happiness and wellbeing of existing residents and the security and safety of refugees.

This is a wicked problem without any satisfactory solution.
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Burning ghost wrote: January 15th, 2018, 3:33 pm Littlemoon -

Most people's grandparents are dead now. That is likely the problem. No one is left to remember and drive home the horrors of the twentieth century.
Agreed! The problem with our society (really with the humankind specie) is that we forget way too easily. Europe has a MORAL OBLIGATION to help these people.
I like how all these "though macho sexist xeno" guys (and girls) act by being so outrageous with the immigration, but I bet if it was their mother/sister on the refugee part they would think THREE TIMES before spewing stupidity.
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Littlemoon wrote: January 15th, 2018, 5:11 pm
Burning ghost wrote: January 15th, 2018, 3:33 pm Littlemoon -

Most people's grandparents are dead now. That is likely the problem. No one is left to remember and drive home the horrors of the twentieth century.
Agreed! The problem with our society (really with the humankind specie) is that we forget way too easily. Europe has a MORAL OBLIGATION to help these people.
I like how all these "though macho sexist xeno" guys (and girls) act by being so outrageous with the immigration, but I bet if it was their mother/sister on the refugee part they would think THREE TIMES before spewing stupidity.
Any American whose known and worked with immigrants - including illegal immigrants - would not hesitate taking most of them in even if it meant kicking some people who are presently Americans out.
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What I'm seeing here in Europe is a scandal to be quite honest. You see this movement of extremists from left and right saying no to immigration. Some governments shut down their frontiers (Hungary for example) to prevent people coming to Europe. And the arguments they use are absurd. They fundamentally accentuate xenophobia by instilling fear into the population. While some of the terrorists, undoubtedly, pick this moment to spread (it's impossible to keep track with the millions that came to europe) and disseminate in europe, we are speaking of a minority.
I'm appalled these governments can be so cruel by denying these people safe passage when everything was taken from them. Even children flee from the horror. How can you look into a child's eyes and deny him refugee? But of course of these "governments" it is far easier to dictate and instill xenophobia behind a thick curtain that sees no people but numbers.
It is shameful! No better word can describe this.
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Greta wrote: January 15th, 2018, 4:57 pm
Littlemoon wrote: January 15th, 2018, 5:43 pmBut of course of these "governments" it is far easier to dictate and instill xenophobia behind a thick curtain that sees no people but numbers.

It is shameful! No better word can describe this.
I do not see this as simply as you do. Terrorists are an excuse. The main reason is that Europe is already groaning under the pressure of overpopulation. Are governments - chosen by the people to represent them - right to allow in so many extra migrants that it significantly and permanently reduces people's standards of living? How many refugees would each of us be prepared to permanently take into our homes - sacrificing our comfort to save lives?

The situation has been caused by corrupt governments in the Middle East exploiting and dominating, rather than representing, the people. Their gross negligence and corruption have shunted the responsibility for the safety of millions on to European governments, who are now forced to choose between the happiness and wellbeing of existing residence and the security and safety of refugees.

This is a wicked problem without any satisfactory solution.
I understand what you are saying but answer me this: What is a million diluted by 27 countries that constitutes the UE?
I think we are actually going into another route which I share. I think the problem here is culture. The problem that I see with this "en masse" immigration is the slow input, almost rubbing the forced but not quite, of their customs in our culture. For example, I don't agree with us shifting our way of life (and culture in the bottom row) to fit with their comfort zone. I know this is hypocritical but they are "guests" in the countries and they should respect the culture, as much as we do when we visit their countries, or visited.

As much as I dislike to agree with this, the problem of all this was America to mess around in those governments under the false pretense that they were saving the people, when in overall, all they wanted was their petroleum.
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