Why do we exist?

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Bahman » December 25th, 2017, 10:01 am

Bebelle wrote:
November 24th, 2017, 6:52 pm
Have you ever felt that everything you do and will do is meaningless? That no matter how great you are at something you will never be truly important, and that's when you are good at something, because most of the time you are just average. So why should we live if our existence has no importance, if it is not going to make any difference in the world? No big changes, you are just one more person like many others.
Perhaps our feelings getting us somewhere, meaning hopefully.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by A_Seagull » January 2nd, 2018, 5:36 pm

JamesOfSeattle wrote:
December 22nd, 2017, 10:19 pm
A_Seagull wrote:
December 9th, 2017, 5:30 am
Perhaps at the most fundamental level the reason that organisms, such as we humans, exist is to garner energy from a source such as the Sun [...]
Actually, not so much garnering energy for its own sake, but using the energy to increase entropy in the universe. That's what life does.

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Entropy would increase anyway.... in fact one could say that every process increases entropy. It is not at all specific to life.
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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by LuckyR » January 2nd, 2018, 6:51 pm

A_Seagull wrote:
January 2nd, 2018, 5:36 pm
JamesOfSeattle wrote:
December 22nd, 2017, 10:19 pm

Actually, not so much garnering energy for its own sake, but using the energy to increase entropy in the universe. That's what life does.

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Entropy would increase anyway.... in fact one could say that every process increases entropy. It is not at all specific to life.
In fact although overall entropy increases, life has a way of decreasing entropy within a local area. That is organizing things. Be it growing a large organism, or grouping into communities.
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Jklint » January 2nd, 2018, 7:19 pm

To affirm to the universe and whatever may be living in it what screw-ups and its endless variations are all about.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by JamesOfSeattle » January 2nd, 2018, 10:58 pm

A_Seagull wrote:
January 2nd, 2018, 5:36 pm
Entropy would increase anyway.... in fact one could say that every process increases entropy. It is not at all specific to life.
Life accelerates the increase in entropy.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by A_Seagull » January 3rd, 2018, 8:05 pm

JamesOfSeattle wrote:
January 2nd, 2018, 10:58 pm
A_Seagull wrote:
January 2nd, 2018, 5:36 pm
Entropy would increase anyway.... in fact one could say that every process increases entropy. It is not at all specific to life.
Life accelerates the increase in entropy.

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So you are saying that the purpose of human existence is to accelerate [the rate] of increase of entropy?
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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by JamesOfSeattle » January 4th, 2018, 12:21 am

Yup. We're here because we're better at it than than all the other species before us, and the things we create (artificial intelligence) will burn up the galaxy.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by LazyPasta » February 8th, 2018, 5:16 pm

what if: We don't exist.

Mathematically 0.99999 recurring is equal to 1.
x=0.9999999...
10x=9.999999...
9x=9
x=1
or
10 divided by three.
3.33333....?
and what is that value x 3?
9.9999...?
10=9.9999...

Therefore 0.000...1 is = to 0

Assuming time is an infinite flow (potentially flawed) our "time" alive is infinitely small.
0.00....1
which is mathematically equal to 0.

We exist for a grand total of 0.

Our obsession with finding answers for why we exist is simply short sighted- we will only find pain and disappointment.
You, right now, experience things. You feel things. Other people, feel things. Live life and live for those moments. For happiness and pleasure. Do what is good. Do what is fun. There are no laws other than your conscious. You may die tomorrow.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Chili » February 8th, 2018, 5:38 pm

LazyPasta wrote:
February 8th, 2018, 5:16 pm
Our obsession with finding answers for why we exist is simply short sighted- we will only find pain and disappointment.
You, right now, experience things. You feel things. Other people, feel things. Live life and live for those moments. For happiness and pleasure. Do what is good. Do what is fun. There are no laws other than your conscious. You may die tomorrow.
If a scientist creates a creature, is that scientist's action reasonably an answer to why that creature exists?

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Pelegrin_1 » February 8th, 2018, 7:26 pm

Chili wrote:
February 8th, 2018, 5:38 pm
If a scientist creates a creature, is that scientist's action reasonably an answer to why that creature exists?
Whatever the scientist's intention was in creating the creature is the answer to 'why that creature exists', even if the creation of the creature was inadvertent. Whatever his or her 'intention' was is the reason why.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by QuarterMaster69 » March 5th, 2018, 10:08 am

Bebelle wrote:
November 24th, 2017, 6:52 pm
Have you ever felt that everything you do and will do is meaningless? That no matter how great you are at something you will never be truly important, and that's when you are good at something, because most of the time you are just average. So why should we live if our existence has no importance, if it is not going to make any difference in the world? No big changes, you are just one more person like many others.
We exist so that that existence can be conscious of itself.

Feeling meaninglessness is an emotion that everyone has experienced. Yet, there have been moments when you feel things are meaningful. Importance is subjective. Don't tell Donald Trump he has no importance. People who get stuck on this idea about meaningless keep living because the body forces it to do so, therefore, you might as well enjoy it. The "world" is your creation. You can make it as small or as big as you wish. Make it small like just you and a couple of your friends and close family members and you'll see you can make a difference. It makes no sense accepting the world stage if you can't be a player. You don't have to be in the NBA (or the world) to enjoy some basketball (or power play your friends.)

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Jan Sand » March 10th, 2018, 3:07 am

The question, "Why do we exist?" is, perhaps, too specific. It's of the same order as asking why a gear in a cuckoo clock exists. Of course, without that little artificial bird that pops out simultaneously with a separate mechanism that says "cuckoo", that gear would be extremely disturbed about the meaning of existence for that particular gear. So the search for the meaning of life boils down to discovering that meaningful artificial bird that was the purpose of the entire universe.
To extend the concept a bit further, there are many forms of life from the microscopic to the blue whale and humanity gets somehow lost in all that pulsating flesh and energetic microbes that comprise life. What is common to all of it including humans is the fervent dynamic to make copies of themselves. Even with humans who elevate themselves as the ultimate product of all this effort, the overwhelming interest in literature and other forms of art seems to be directed towards the delights of making copies of themselves. Humans have only existed in their current forms for the chronological lightning bolt of a mere two million years and they have already multiplied to the point where most of the life giving complex of the planet is rapidly being destroyed. In this effort humans are far more successful than any other living thing although there are many micro-organisms that do rather well without the massive technological complexity humans are so clever at creating.

So it's obvious that, in spite of the efforts of other life to keep the planet viable, humans have evolved to destroy planetary life and much of the USA is now very busy and profitably involved in destroying life on the planet. A few decades are only necessary to see if this project will become successful.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Pano » March 11th, 2018, 3:43 pm

Everything I do is meaningless and truly to my own amusement,i feel no reason to change the world whatsoever and truly don't care.I like myself just the way I am and i dont see that in any way shape or form connecting to my legacy,achievements or desires about changing the world.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by Jan Sand » March 11th, 2018, 5:12 pm

Like it or not, the oncoming violence of global warming and the possible nuclear war will doubtlessly make you quite uncomfortable.

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Re: Why do we exist?

Post by jaypeza » March 11th, 2018, 8:54 pm

This video talks about the real purpose in life, i think this video truly is what we are all looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDoLyN2imsY&t=3s

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