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Sorry for the two word post. What I meant was: which traits do you consider to be virtues or virtuous?Maxcady10001 wrote: ↑December 7th, 2017, 3:14 am I already gave you the hard working or the obedient man. Obedience is usually deemed a virtue. Courage, is another example. The man who risks his life to save others, is deemed virtuous. Of course his behavior would be praised, everything that is self sacrificing is praised. Courage and obedience, both considered virtues, both harmful to ourselves. There are also the virtues that deny are nature like chastity, and temperance.
I asked because the OP mentioned hard work. There are plenty of financially successful folks who worked hard to afford their Ferraris. Therefore virtuousness leads to quarter million dollar Italian sports cars? Sign me up!
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Surely we praise him not because he is sacrificing himself for us but because (in a society with a welfare system) he is not requiring us to sacrifice ourselves for him?Maxcady10001 wrote:An example is the hard working man. We praise those who slave away in the name of an "honest day's work," because they are sacrificing themselves for us.
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What? Why?Maxcady10001 wrote: ↑December 8th, 2017, 1:42 amHowever, it is impossible for all members of a group to be virtuous
"Surely" is one of the words Dan Dennett tells you to watch out for. Again, why?, or the group would surely perish.
Um, why not?All members cannot possess a virtue.
I think you left out a "surely". Again, why?a group must have some members that are selfish or greedy, or egotistic, in order to prosper.
We don't focus on the suffering because that is NOT what is being encouraged. Benefit to the group is being encouraged.I am only pointing out that a group may have virtuous members, but those members are acting against their own interest. And, such behavior is always encouraged by the group, even though it is encouraging suffering. There should just be more recognition of virtues as the act of self sacrifice and suffering.
You keep saying this, but give no reasons. Looking forward to the reasons.And, any individual who would succeed, cannot be virtuous
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For example you label obedience as a virtue. But this is a Christian definition of virtue and not a good definition of virtue.
It is no wonder that you cannot resolve the paradox when you cannot properly define virtue.
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