Artificial intelligence: doom or survival?
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Artificial intelligence: doom or survival?
My opinion is that artificial intelligence will significantly improve our life quality. We are speaking in matters of Healthcare, patient care, even daily care!
But when all of this will be too much? Will it be our ultimate downfall or will it be our survival?
Up for a discussion gents?
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It also reminds me of I Robot. Would we all be better off if the robots had won? Were they considering the happy pig dilemma?
Giving control to AI would be interesting. I think the purpose of the AI is something I'd rather not leave to a choice by humans for fear they make the wrong choice.
Actually I kind of see the process of evolution itself as a 'tool' for creating 'good' choices.
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I think the problem is when we give the robot the power of conscience. What is conscience and how can you give something we can't understand yet to a robot? Will their plans after we give them conscience include us?
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But history doesn't move on well-oiled tracks, in the same straight line, indefinitely.
Unexpected things happen.
Also, of course, expected things.
How will AI improve health care, if all the funding is pulled and redirected to the military?
Whose quality of life will improve with advanced robotics?
It all depends, not on how intelligent the machines are, but on who owns them.
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Corporations will own them. Corporations in themselves are a form of collective intelligence, just as an ant colony has a collective intelligence and capability far beyond that of its individuals.
So all of this corporate information will be poured into an information processing unit whose physical expression will be every device connected to it. These highly concentrated information processing centres look somewhat like brains, which of course are also concentrated info processors.
It appears to me that AI is being built in a modular fashion, with the experiential and learning aspects being built separately to the memory and "nervous system". I suspect that once corporate IT systems are mostly controlled by AI - integrating a flexible, learning AI "cortex" with an established network, that's when we really see what it can do.
This too is happening gradually; obviously no corporation is going to throw its entire operation over to an untested AI CEO, not all at once anyway.
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Who says corporations will continue in their accustomed form, in their present mode of operation?
I'm not even sure that in the present form they are like the hive mind of an ant colony or any kind of self-aware society. I suspect that corporations, as they have come to operate in the late 20th and century, are more like machines than human collectives; that the boards of directors who supposedly control them don't actually make the minute-to-minute decisions. If that is so, more of the corporate functions will be taken over, sooner, than any human anticipates or realizes. Certainly, far more is going on (and has been for a decade or more) in their computers than any programmer or designer understands, and CEO's have no clue at all.
And, of course, there is the question of corporations breaking up, changing financial management, switching to new enterprises, merging, going bankrupt, being bought out. Whole economies toppling over; currencies and markets crashing...
Too many variables to predict.
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Agreed. They won't, which was part of my point.
They are more machine-like than individuals yes, "programmed" by policy as they are, but they operate more like simple organisms with most focus on growth and reproduction. A corporate "brain" is primitive by biological standards, the senses are more diffuse, often acting independently of the CPU/brain. However, automated workers controlled by ever more sophisticated controlling technology will result in much more direct control from on high.Alias wrote:I'm not even sure that in the present form they are like the hive mind of an ant colony or any kind of self-aware society. I suspect that corporations, as they have come to operate in the late 20th and century, are more like machines than human collectives; that the boards of directors who supposedly control them don't actually make the minute-to-minute decisions.
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What if the 'on high" dies or is deposed? What if the "on high" has no frickin idea how the mechanism operates?Greta wrote: ↑January 9th, 2018, 9:04 pm They are more machine-like than individuals yes, "programmed" by policy as they are, but they operate more like simple organisms with most focus on growth and reproduction. A corporate "brain" is primitive by biological standards, the senses are more diffuse, often acting independently of the CPU/brain. However, automated workers controlled by ever more sophisticated controlling technology will result in much more direct control from on high.
Who the hell is up there, anyway?
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Corporations die too. When they die, as with any death, the components distribute into their environment.Alias wrote: ↑January 10th, 2018, 1:17 amWhat if the 'on high" dies or is deposed? What if the "on high" has no frickin idea how the mechanism operates?Greta wrote: ↑January 9th, 2018, 9:04 pm They are more machine-like than individuals yes, "programmed" by policy as they are, but they operate more like simple organisms with most focus on growth and reproduction. A corporate "brain" is primitive by biological standards, the senses are more diffuse, often acting independently of the CPU/brain. However, automated workers controlled by ever more sophisticated controlling technology will result in much more direct control from on high.
Who the hell is up there, anyway?
Those on high are famously out of touch with operations. By the same token, we don't have much clue about the doings of most of our body systems; we take for granted that they work. Who comprises the brain of an organisation? The board, the CEO, the executive, and middle management and supervisors (like the lower brain). Clerical and knowledge workers are now increasingly being displaced by automation, AI decisions may yet become consistently better than those by executives, making them redundant too.
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Well in matters of patient care, this could potentially help old people in their house. Heavy lifting for example, or in a more evolved way, fight back loneliness. This is one of the biggest problem old people face when they come of age. Loneliness becomes their worst fear. No one to talk with. That's one way I think AI could potentially work.Alias wrote: ↑January 7th, 2018, 5:19 pm I suppose a lot of Roman citizens in 280AD or so wondered about and quite seriously discussed the future of the empire in case slavery were ever abolished, or in case the new christian craze should ever catch on or somebody invents a projectile weapon that explodes on impact....
But history doesn't move on well-oiled tracks, in the same straight line, indefinitely.
Unexpected things happen.
Also, of course, expected things.
How will AI improve health care, if all the funding is pulled and redirected to the military?
Whose quality of life will improve with advanced robotics?
It all depends, not on how intelligent the machines are, but on who owns them.
In healthcare, AI can simply out best humans when it comes to, for example, analysis of diagnosis. There was a trial not too long ago about a machine being able to identify quicker and flawlessly tumors where the most intelligent (and best) radiologists couldn't. If I'm not mistaken, they failed 30% of the times (we are speaking about very difficult X-rays MRIs etc)
As for military operations, I think that simply depends of what people deem as a priority. It's up for "the people" (not corporations and the likes) to control this. But I only see this working in democratized countries with open minds.
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Littlemoon wrote: ↑January 10th, 2018, 6:50 pm [ A- it all depends, not on how intelligent the machines are, but on who owns them.]
Well in matters of patient care, this could potentially help old people in their house. Heavy lifting for example, or in a more evolved way, fight back loneliness. [/auote]
Oh, there is plenty of potential - for those who can afford it. But with public health losing funds and insurance premiums rising, fewer and fewer people can afford even the essential services, never mind luxuries like fighting loneliness. Lots of old people can't even afford to keep a dog.
Isn't that what we've been asying? Which of "the "people" have the power to make these decisions? There is nothing democratic about it!As for military operations, I think that simply depends of what people deem as a priority.
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