I am only here to talk about deep philosophy

YoungZeno · Post by **YoungZeno** » January 9th, 2018, 12:18 am

Brothers and Sisters who wants to talk for deep stuff! Come on! NO ARISTOTLE THINGS ONLY PRE SOKRA STYLE. Lets go deep and explore things that are thrown away and called upon as meaningless! I see there is so many things we could talk about so just throw and subject and lets begin. And try to keep it crazy. Im tired of " normal " .

Maldon007 · Post by **Maldon007** » January 9th, 2018, 10:30 am

I don't know if this is deep enough, but maybe some reincarnation questions? Can you opt out? Say you are tired of life, can you refuse to be reborn? And how do populations increase, in a reincarnation scheme?

Hereandnow · Post by **Hereandnow** » January 9th, 2018, 2:46 pm

What have you read YoungjuZeno?

Maldon007 · Post by **Maldon007** » January 9th, 2018, 3:19 pm

Is that 3 philosophers? If so, I've only heard of zeno, and what little I read lead me to believe he was more of a philoso-troll than a serious one. Did he have serious ideas?

YoungZeno · Post by **YoungZeno** » January 9th, 2018, 5:10 pm

papakiMaldon007
This is the stuff nice n deep.
You are life bro so lets just say that we are certain that we are being reincarnated. If so, then you probably cant say you wanna stop being even if you are on any realm.
This is the game of life. I dont believe you can opt out as a traveling soul especially since the universe is probably looking for some form of satisfaction through reincarnations and you are the universe(partofit) so you are looking for that new form of energy saving thus creating humans. As a reincarnation believer i think you must reach the buddist state to kill ur mind before your body dies or you keep being reborn in some form of life depending on your unconcious desires. This way you must become so Zen like Zeno and realise the now is the only belief so you can reach faster this state of happines opening the mystical doors.
As for the reincarnation scheme i believe it must either have to do with animals dying and their souls advancing on to humans which would make sense considering the amount of close minded negative people that cant use that gift of brain. The distribution of souls is not always stable though since some parts of soul (1human) might dissapear if the faith and goal is not strong enough thus giving space to new creations of the one. In the end though energy just gonna be energy. Peace.

YoungZeno · Post by **YoungZeno** » January 9th, 2018, 5:36 pm

Maldon007 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2018, 3:19 pm Is that 3 philosophers? If so, I've only heard of zeno, and what little I read lead me to believe he was more of a philoso-troll than a serious one. Did he have serious ideas?

Not really a philoso-troll more like a philosofall. He would go against anyone and attack them verbaly with points that trigered them. At one point he was even banned from an island because they couldn't keep debating with him and they got angry for the philosophys he was saying. His teacher Parmenidis so what could you expect.
Zeno quote " the goal of life is living in agreement with nature. " True Hippy not like our age. Plus he traveled all the known world to debate with the "Athenians" who were supposedly mature but Zeno and Parmenidis vs Athen, come on... thats how a sokra is born. His ideas were pythagorian but in his own words and paradoxs. He was the paradoxes father. He basically had something to say about anything like a true pre sokratik.

Eduk · Post by **Eduk** » January 10th, 2018, 8:09 am

I like Zeno's arrow paradox and tortoise and hair paradox. Both demonstrate motion to be logically impossible with our normal understanding of time and space.

YoungZeno · Post by **YoungZeno** » January 10th, 2018, 3:08 pm

Hereandnow wrote: ↑January 9th, 2018, 2:46 pm What have you read YoungjuZeno?

Hereandnow
Be here now brother.
The war against the matrix.
Ring of Solomon.
Those are 3 important subjects. Other than that we have the Dons and the toltec teachings and other. How about you friend?

Maldon007 · Post by **Maldon007** » January 10th, 2018, 3:11 pm

Eduk wrote: ↑January 10th, 2018, 8:09 am I like Zeno's arrow paradox and tortoise and hair paradox. Both demonstrate motion to be logically impossible with our normal understanding of time and space.

If I remember right, those math tricks have been debunked for ages.

Eduk · Post by **Eduk** » January 10th, 2018, 3:15 pm

You remember wrong. Wikipedia has a nice summary.

Hereandnow · Post by **Hereandnow** » January 10th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Time and Space? The arrow: Going half way does not preclude going all the way, and the arrow goes all the way, not stopping at every interval of halfway. It CAN do this, if you take it in hand, measure half way over and over, but the arrow is not logically constrained to do this.

YoungZeno · Post by **YoungZeno** » January 10th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Eduk wrote: ↑January 10th, 2018, 8:09 am I like Zeno's arrow paradox and tortoise and hair paradox. Both demonstrate motion to be logically impossible with our normal understanding of time and space.

Exactly, mathematicians say they figured it out but what they did is they put a last step into an infinete debate. Ofcourse you're going to say you found the solution by distroying what basically caused the paradox; the fact that there is no last step to something infinete but in real life time and space it is as if thing meet a final step of their own.
Personally i believe that the ammount of time or space we are dealing with doesnt change; so infinete can be a number. For example a square dividing itself constantly doesn't mean there will not be a total conclution. If you add all the pieces together 1/2 plus all the next ones ( 1/4 + 1/8 exct. ) all the next ones would add up to 1/2 right? So if you take all of them except the first divition and add them with the first it would add up to 1. The starting point and our todays theory. So it doesn't really matter, i believe, how many time you divide something because the infinete is hiding withing each spacific space and time you are dealing with. And quontom time and space plank supports this idea since you will reach the finete step of the infinete problem since you have to eventually complete the possible " journey ".
The real question is what is infinete? Is it really something that never ends? Can that even be?

Maldon007 · Post by **Maldon007** » January 10th, 2018, 4:12 pm

Since the hair gets closer and closer to the tortoise, it is moving, which disproves the arrow paradox.

The hair, gets half way to the tortoise, then gains the next fraction, 1/4, then the next, 1/8, in rapid succession, increasing speed and gaining the fractions, that take less and less time to gain, till they converge at 1 (all added together, representing the original gap), and he passes the slothful beast.

Or you could say, zeno fails to allow simultaneously action, which must be taking place, since two creatures are steadily moving. If you allow simultaneous action, then you can allow independent action, which lets the hair cover distances at the same time the tortoise is covering other distances, till they converge then reverse positions.

Eduk · Post by **Eduk** » January 10th, 2018, 4:21 pm

Tortoise and hair doesn't need two subjects. Same theory works with one person walking up a path. He must pass half way and half of half way and so on infinitely.
As youngzeno says you have to question infinity. And you have to question if space can be divided. And you have to question if time is an instant ( in the case of the arrow paradox).
Either way I like the paradoxes, they are fun to think about.