Why Homosexuality is Abnormal but Not Morally Wrong

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Frost wrote: March 11th, 2018, 10:06 am
Eduk wrote: March 10th, 2018, 8:58 pm How about lewd displays of heterosexuals in bars, clubs, beaches, walking down the street?

My point about the heterosexual agenda was to make you consider if all heterosexuals can be grouped sensibly into having a single agenda?
Lewd conduct in private bars and clubs is up to the owner, although I may not care to see it or think it inappropriate. The beach and walking down the street is public and lewd conduct is not permitted. The point is, with the gay pride parades they literally parade lewd conduct for all to see. That is immoral. It's not a bunch of well-dressed well-mannered homosexuals walking down the street, but rather scantily clad, lewd costumes, and other lewd conduct that apparently is what constitutes being "proud" to be homosexual. Perhaps they do not understand that this alienates people and gives them a bad name. Many homosexuals do think this, too.
Pride parades started off as protest marches against the kind of homophobia that they hope to annoy today. If you are offended, mission accomplished.

One night a year for a march that celebrates the liberation of a long oppressed group that is not G-rated is not a lot to ask. If you are worried about the kids, take them out bowling on the night.
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Greta wrote: March 12th, 2018, 4:07 pm Pride parades started off as protest marches against the kind of homophobia that they hope to annoy today. If you are offended, mission accomplished.

One night a year for a march that celebrates the liberation of a long oppressed group that is not G-rated is not a lot to ask. If you are worried about the kids, take them out bowling on the night.
They are free to do so and people are free to judge. If dildo costumes, lewd conduct, and little boys twerking for adult men is the message they want to send to the world about who they are, then they will be judged accordingly.
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It's not obvious that homosexuality isn't normal and healthy. Please link a scientific biology paper which claims otherwise.
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Frost wrote: March 12th, 2018, 4:57 pm
Greta wrote: March 12th, 2018, 4:07 pm Pride parades started off as protest marches against the kind of homophobia that they hope to annoy today. If you are offended, mission accomplished.

One night a year for a march that celebrates the liberation of a long oppressed group that is not G-rated is not a lot to ask. If you are worried about the kids, take them out bowling on the night.
They are free to do so and people are free to judge. If dildo costumes, lewd conduct, and little boys twerking for adult men is the message they want to send to the world about who they are, then they will be judged accordingly.
Anyone who hates gays for that, lready heated them and was looking for an excuse.

Gays lose no supporters because a minority go wild during parades; they are are aware of the history and also of how rebellion is a response to oppression. Since hatred remains, so does the rebellion.
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I went to my 12 year old son's first high school parents' consultation earlier this evening. It was an opportunity to meet some of his teachers for the first time. I was mildly intrigued to meet his maths teacher because he's told me several times that the maths teacher is gay and quite loud and proud about it. It's funny to see the stages of development that kids go through. My son evidently quite likes the fact that he's got a gay maths teacher. Adds a bit of colour and human interest to a subject that he would otherwise find a bit inhuman. (He's more into humanities. His younger brother is the mathematical one. He probably wouldn't know or care if his teachers were gay.)

Anyway, I only got to meet him for 5 minutes. The only impressions that I came away with were that he is quite severely Welsh and has very good teeth.

A random true story about a gay maths teacher there.
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Greta wrote: March 12th, 2018, 6:43 pm
Anyone who hates gays for that, lready heated them and was looking for an excuse.

Gays lose no supporters because a minority go wild during parades; they are are aware of the history and also of how rebellion is a response to oppression. Since hatred remains, so does the rebellion.
I never said hate. Judging a person for inappropriate behavior is not hate, nor is it "homophobia." I think I've said my peace on this issue, but I will just leave with saying this kind of attitude toward any criticism of their behavior is only going to increase reaction against them. Believe it or not, I care about them and want to see them accepted and integrated into society, and homosexuals benefit from moral behavior just like anyone else and are not above criticism.
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Frost wrote: March 12th, 2018, 7:05 pm
Greta wrote: March 12th, 2018, 6:43 pm
Anyone who hates gays for that, lready heated them and was looking for an excuse.

Gays lose no supporters because a minority go wild during parades; they are are aware of the history and also of how rebellion is a response to oppression. Since hatred remains, so does the rebellion.
I never said hate. Judging a person for inappropriate behavior is not hate, nor is it "homophobia." I think I've said my peace on this issue, but I will just leave with saying this kind of attitude toward any criticism of their behavior is only going to increase reaction against them. Believe it or not, I care about them and want to see them accepted and integrated into society, and homosexuals benefit from moral behavior just like anyone else and are not above criticism.
Frost, having lived for a full adult period in this life I have known numerous people who hate gays and they are usually the ones complaining about the parades.

You can judge the parade as bad strategy, sure, but it's entirely understandable given the history.
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Frost I have met gay people who openly talk about soliciting sex with strangers on Putney heath at night. It's disgusting and clearly highly damaging to themselves and others. I have yet to meet a heterosexual who openly admits to dogging (although I suspect I have met such individuals) but it is a thing that happens. It is equally disgusting. In both cases their sexuality has nothing at all to do with their behaviour and has no bearing on their actions. I wouldn't make the point that heterosexual dogging was immoral, I would simply say dogging is immoral. The fact that you believe your open homophobia is not actually homophobia is disturbing (you didn't seem able to support your claim earlier with a paper by the way, does that mean nothing to you? do you hold yourself to no standards?).
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Eduk wrote: March 12th, 2018, 7:21 pm Frost I have met gay people who openly talk about soliciting sex with strangers on Putney heath at night. It's disgusting and clearly highly damaging to themselves and others. I have yet to meet a heterosexual who openly admits to dogging (although I suspect I have met such individuals) but it is a thing that happens. It is equally disgusting. In both cases their sexuality has nothing at all to do with their behaviour and has no bearing on their actions. I wouldn't make the point that heterosexual dogging was immoral, I would simply say dogging is immoral. The fact that you believe your open homophobia is not actually homophobia is disturbing (you didn't seem able to support your claim earlier with a paper by the way, does that mean nothing to you? do you hold yourself to no standards?).
I called out immoral behavior on both sides in public.
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If you think it's fine to call one group of people biologically abnormal like crooked teeth due to some deficiency (with no evidence) but not another group of people I would like to know the difference.
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