Why Homosexuality is Abnormal but Not Morally Wrong

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I didn't want to come into work today. I wanted to play in the snow. But the group I work with came in, and that influenced my choice.
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Oh dear and I used to think you a good person Steve.
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Monky11 wrote: February 20th, 2018, 9:37 am Why Homosexuality is Abnormal
Talk about abject ignorance!
Thank you for displaying such ignorance so I can crap on it.
'Homosexuality is found in many species. Is COMPLETELY "normal" (even for hateful closet cases such as yourself)!
I guess that they didn't go to your ignorant, hateful church!
but Not Morally Wrong
Your judgmental 'morality' is the sin of Pride!
Go figure!

From a religious Perspective (and a dictionary), 'morality' is judging people/stuff as 'good' or 'bad/evil'!

This is exact manifestation of the stolen Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Sin of Pride/judgment) in the Garden!

As a Xtian (or any other religion), we are warned against 'judging' others;
"Judge not lest you be judged!"
Such judgment (good/evil) is the sin of 'pride'!
'Pride' is the only sin (from which all others spring), yet the hypocrites flaunt their practices, joyfully, proudly, in the face of their god!

You are told that;
"If you judge, judge with righteous judgment!"
Yet goes on to say that;
"None are righteous, no not one!"

Take your ignorant hate elsewhere, back to the conservatives, back to the Republikkkans, back to your Trumpsky!
Pffft!
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Homosexuality to a heterosexual is abnormal in the sense that you can't see yourself performing homosexual acts (and find it objectionable) if you are heterosexual. Statistically, homosexuality is abnormal but statistics has nothing to say about morality.

Homosexuality is adaptation which is normal for evolution is what drives organisms. You may say that homosexuality is abnormal but thrown in jail for the rest of your life you may start to see things differently and allow yourself to copulate with another man.
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QuarterMaster69 wrote: March 7th, 2018, 10:14 am Homosexuality to a heterosexual is abnormal in the sense that you can't see yourself performing homosexual acts (and find it objectionable) if you are heterosexual.
Only to an judgmental insecure closeted 'hetero'!
Like Buddhism is 'abnormal' to the average ignorant pseudo-Xtian?
The individual ignorant judgmental feelings of what is 'normal' or not, is irrelevant!
Normal is what is!
Statistically, homosexuality is abnormal
Nonsense! Homosex is practiced among almost all mammals. Statistically, it is a valid part of the sexuality spectrum!
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Namelesss wrote: March 7th, 2018, 9:07 pm
QuarterMaster69 wrote: March 7th, 2018, 10:14 am Homosexuality to a heterosexual is abnormal in the sense that you can't see yourself performing homosexual acts (and find it objectionable) if you are heterosexual.
Only to an judgmental insecure closeted 'hetero'!
:lol: I generally agree with your objections although many are probably not closeted but simply impacted by the power of the ridiculous and irrational stigma around homosexuality, especially for men.

I do suspect that those who are unfamiliar with gays think about heterosexual relationships in terms of romance but gay relationships in terms of sexual mechanics. In the minds of many, gay people spend their lives muff munching and bottom penetrating. Like a chess player who cannot think even one move ahead, critics have not gone the next step and imagined what makes people want to have relationships with other people.

Due to individual physical differences, some people gain weight if they eat chocolate but can eat any amount of bread without gaining weight. For others, chocolate doesn't add fat for them but bread does (I saw this in an experiment on Dr Michael Moseley's Trust Me, I'm a Doctor - quite remarkable). By the same token, some people will find their bliss with those of the same gender rather than the opposite and, as noted above, homosexual behaviours are a natural variant found in numerous other species too.

Also note that some seem to be using the word "abnormal" in terms of pure statistics without sensitivity to the word's pejorative semantics.
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QuarterMaster69 wrote: March 7th, 2018, 10:14 am Homosexuality is adaptation which is normal for evolution is what drives organisms.
I know I have heard evolutionary biologists claim this, but since I am not familiar with the matter, what evidence is there to support such a claim?

To me it seems more likely that homosexuality is a bit of a developmental disorder, which in and of itself has little moral import. However, the pushing of the homosexual "lifestyle" and agenda, along with lewd public displays like many of their "pride parades" is immoral. But in and of itself, if someone has homosexual tendencies or is outright homosexual as a result of genes, prenatal hormone concentrations, and certain chemicals perhaps such as xenoestrogens which may alter brain structure and development, this seems about as immoral as having crooked teeth from nutritional insufficiency.
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What is the difference between heterosexual lewd displays such as hooters and homosexual lewd displays such as whichever parade you are thinking of? Would you feel it reasonable if I accused you of pushing your heterosexual agenda?
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Eduk wrote: March 10th, 2018, 8:40 pm What is the difference between heterosexual lewd displays such as hooters and homosexual lewd displays such as whichever parade you are thinking of? Would you feel it reasonable if I accused you of pushing your heterosexual agenda?
Public heterosexual lewd displays are also immoral. Hooters is a restaurant that a person can voluntarily enter, which adults should not do with children. The lewd pride parades are out in public for all to see.

What are you claiming the "heterosexual agenda" is?
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How about lewd displays of heterosexuals in bars, clubs, beaches, walking down the street?

My point about the heterosexual agenda was to make you consider if all heterosexuals can be grouped sensibly into having a single agenda?
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Eduk wrote: March 10th, 2018, 8:58 pm How about lewd displays of heterosexuals in bars, clubs, beaches, walking down the street?

My point about the heterosexual agenda was to make you consider if all heterosexuals can be grouped sensibly into having a single agenda?
Lewd conduct in private bars and clubs is up to the owner, although I may not care to see it or think it inappropriate. The beach and walking down the street is public and lewd conduct is not permitted. The point is, with the gay pride parades they literally parade lewd conduct for all to see. That is immoral. It's not a bunch of well-dressed well-mannered homosexuals walking down the street, but rather scantily clad, lewd costumes, and other lewd conduct that apparently is what constitutes being "proud" to be homosexual. Perhaps they do not understand that this alienates people and gives them a bad name. Many homosexuals do think this, too.

No, hetereosexuals cannot all be grouped together as having a single agenda. Not all homosexuals can be grouped as having a "gay agenda," but it does exist. But heterosexual people that do not think lewd conduct is appropriate or that it is okay to attempt to normalize homosexuality to normal children that are young and impressionable cannot be considered as having an "agenda;" they are protecting the well-being of their children and society.
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Frost, I for one would not wish to shield my child from you because I think it is important that they learn to deal with the world as it is with the highest degree of autonomy. It is a bit like writing down morals as a list for them to follow versus making actual decisions based off of morals.
I am somewhat fortunate. If I was gay and you called me a threat to your children, immoral, abnormal, or at best physically damaged due to some deficit, then I would worry more about you than about me. Of course if I somehow needed you for some important function then you would scare me and dealing with you would be troubling. Luckily for me it is very unlikely I will ever need you for an important function.
But i would say that if no one is an island there are still people more island like than others and I suspect I am towards the island side. Others would not take your multitude of homophobia so well. They would trust some of what you say. They would doubt some of what they believe. Possibly in quite harmful manners. I don't know they might even react after a lifetime of being trod upon and dress up in the most outrageous manner they can think of and declare themselves proud (in my opinion a pointless declaration).
It is interesting to me that you, in part, create the situation you claim to be immoral.
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Eduk wrote: March 12th, 2018, 4:33 am Frost, I for one would not wish to shield my child from you because I think it is important that they learn to deal with the world as it is with the highest degree of autonomy. It is a bit like writing down morals as a list for them to follow versus making actual decisions based off of morals.
I am somewhat fortunate. If I was gay and you called me a threat to your children, immoral, abnormal, or at best physically damaged due to some deficit, then I would worry more about you than about me. Of course if I somehow needed you for some important function then you would scare me and dealing with you would be troubling. Luckily for me it is very unlikely I will ever need you for an important function.
But i would say that if no one is an island there are still people more island like than others and I suspect I am towards the island side. Others would not take your multitude of homophobia so well. They would trust some of what you say. They would doubt some of what they believe. Possibly in quite harmful manners. I don't know they might even react after a lifetime of being trod upon and dress up in the most outrageous manner they can think of and declare themselves proud (in my opinion a pointless declaration).
It is interesting to me that you, in part, create the situation you claim to be immoral.
This sort of attitude is only to harm the acceptance of homosexuality. If I am a “homophobe” because I think lewd public activity is immoral and that it is healthy for a child to be heterosexual, then you are courting hostile reaction and creating division where none is necessary.
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Frost you said many homophobic things.

homosexuality is a bit of a developmental disorder,
However, the pushing of the homosexual "lifestyle" and agenda, along with lewd public displays like many of their "pride parades" is immoral.
this seems about as immoral as having crooked teeth from nutritional insufficiency
Not all homosexuals can be grouped as having a "gay agenda," but it does exist.
is appropriate or that it is okay to attempt to normalize homosexuality to normal children that are young and impressionable cannot be considered as having an "agenda;" they are protecting the well-being of their children and society.

If you don't see that then clearly a reaction is indeed necessary.
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Eduk wrote: March 12th, 2018, 1:36 pm Frost you said many homophobic things.

homosexuality is a bit of a developmental disorder,
However, the pushing of the homosexual "lifestyle" and agenda, along with lewd public displays like many of their "pride parades" is immoral.
this seems about as immoral as having crooked teeth from nutritional insufficiency
Not all homosexuals can be grouped as having a "gay agenda," but it does exist.
is appropriate or that it is okay to attempt to normalize homosexuality to normal children that are young and impressionable cannot be considered as having an "agenda;" they are protecting the well-being of their children and society.

If you don't see that then clearly a reaction is indeed necessary.
Let’s break these down:

1. Homosexuality is a bit of a developmental disorder.

It’s pretty obvious that normal, healthy development is heterosexual. That is a simple biological observation that has nothing to do with “homophobia.”

2. the pushing of the homosexual "lifestyle" and agenda, along with lewd public displays like many of their "pride parades" is immoral.

How is saying that lewd public displays are immoral in any way homophobic? That is just common decency. Pushing a lifestyle or agenda on other people is not acceptable. Do homosexuals like it when conservative Christians push their lifestyle on them? What is “homophobic” about not wanting people to push their lifestyle or agenda on others?

3. this seems about as immoral as having crooked teeth from nutritional insufficiency

So saying that in and of itself homosexuality is not immoral is considered “homophobic”?

4. Not all homosexuals can be grouped as having a "gay agenda," but it does exist.

Saying not all homosexuals have a “gay agenda” but that it exists is “homophobic”? Did I group them all together?

5. is appropriate or that it is okay to attempt to normalize homosexuality to normal children that are young and impressionable cannot be considered as having an "agenda;" they are protecting the well-being of their children and society.

Wanting children to develop in a normal, healthy manner is now “homophobic”? It is “homophobic” to not want my child to be taught that sexual preference is a choice?

This word is apparently meaningless.
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