What Is Language?

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ThomasHobbes
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Re: What Is Language?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 15th, 2018, 4:46 pm

Number2018 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 10:35 am
The force, expressivity, and agency of language do not derive from its grammatical structure, they do not derive from a a combination of signifiers but from performative relations.
But there would be no relations, performative or other wise without grammar, as without grammar the signifiers are just a meaningless jumble of sounds.

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Re: What Is Language?

Post by Number2018 » August 16th, 2018, 6:33 pm

"It is (almost certainly?) the case that people can generate symbols in their brains that represent concepts. These concepts can be the products of experience (eg., the memory of dew on a fresh apple) or the source of experience (remembering the dew on the fresh apple). In some cases the concept is abstract, like the number 3."
Is that possible that people can generate symbols in their brains? The real subject of all these processes is the ensemble of social, economic, political, cybernetic, and biological instances.

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Re: What Is Language?

Post by Number2018 » August 16th, 2018, 6:43 pm

You are right - neither relations nor signifiers without grammar. Yet, there is no language in itself. Human language is absolutely dependent on
non-linguistic forces.

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Re: What Is Language?

Post by JamesOfSeattle » August 17th, 2018, 2:07 pm

Number2018 wrote:
August 16th, 2018, 6:33 pm
Is that possible that people can generate symbols in their brains?
Um, yes. For a plausible mechanism, look up Chris Eliasmith’s Semantic Pointers.
The real subject of all these processes is the ensemble of social, economic, political, cybernetic, and biological instances.
I don’t understand this sentence at all. Care to re-phrase?

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Re: What Is Language?

Post by Number2018 » August 17th, 2018, 2:46 pm

I mean that individuals can not produce meaningful utterances on behalf of themselves. They are always conditioned and determined in a variety of ways. Even Robinson Crusoe in his island was talking and writing through different assemblages of enunciation.

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