Is a determinist necessarily a realist?
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Is a determinist necessarily a realist?
If a determinist views every act as caused, but never experiences a necessary cause, only a sufficient cause, they're assuming an act is caused outside their experience of causation, so are determinists necessarily realists?
A realist believes in a reality independent of their experience.
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Assuming that definition of realist (which covers most non-idealistic views), let us consider a determinist that is not one. So if this person does not believe in a reality independent of their experience, what is it they believe is determined then? Well, the only thing remaining I guess, which is their experience.Maxcady10001 wrote: ↑March 28th, 2018, 2:57 pm If a person is a determinist are they necessarily a realist?
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A realist believes in a reality independent of their experience.
Can a person believe that experience defines reality, and yet that experience is somehow determined? By what? Prior experience? I can't actually think of a reason why this cannot be, but it is an unusual stance none the less.
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I have recently been trying to escape any thoughts that would lead to realism, and it appears I can no longer look to causation or determinism.
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If reality is absolute, what is probable is absolute as well, since what is probable corresponds to what is absolute. It is no longer just probable but absolute. If there is a probability of a family eating dinner, there is a family eating dinner, since a realist will say there are families that eat dinner outside if my awareness of it. Since families eat dinner, if a family is probably eating dinner, there is a family absolutely eating dinner. A realist cannot say something is probable because everything is absolute, so whatever can be, is.
What do you think of this Eduk, instead of an insult, why don't you put more thought into it.
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It also rather obviously defeats itself in that my subjective reality could be objective and yours could be pure subjectivity and we would both be absolutely right.
As to probabilities and absolutes. I can't follow your logic. Your initial definition of realist seems to have morphed into determinist? I personally see no contradiction with saying the world appears to be deterministic but gives non deterministic results. How that is to be falls back on my previous answer of unknown. I realise unknown is unsatisfactory. But being unsatisfied is sometimes the very best you could possibly do.
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But, considering the realist point of view, I believe I have laid out the logical steps a realist goes through, and shown why a realist must believe anything that is possible necessarily exists.
1.Reality is a conception of what makes up the world
2. What is possible is what can fit this conception, or what can be perceived
3. What is possible is what can be perceived
4. What can be perceived is unto itself
5. What is perception is unto itself
6.What is perception is not the world, and the world not its perception
7. What is possible is not perception
8. What is possible is unto itself
9. What exists is not possible but necessary
10. Therefore reality exists, to deny it would be a contradiction
11. If reality exists perception exists
12. If perception exists the world exists
13. If the world exists what is possible exists
I believe this is the point of view of realists, and it leads to all possible worlds being necessary, since what is possible is what can be perceived.
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I had to change number 3.
1.Reality is a conception of what makes up the world
2. What is possible is what can fit this conception, or what can be perceived
3. What is perceived is not its perception
4. What can be perceived is unto itself
5. What is perception is unto itself
6.What is perception is not the world, and the world not its perception
7. What is possible is not perception
8. What is possible is unto itself
9. What exists is not possible but necessary
10. Therefore reality exists, to deny it would be a contradiction
11. If reality exists perception exists
12. If perception exists the world exists
13. If the world exists what is possible
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