Because the community is divided on the issue, whereas no one has a problem with normal women going to Ladies' public toilets. The recent public debates have made clear that many people believe that any problems a transwoman has are entirely her own fault.
Of course. They have a few choices - to do their business in their underpants, to go to the Ladies' and perhaps be embarrassed and embarrassing or go to the Men's toilets and be abused, beaten up or killed.
You do realise that female toilets do not have urination troughs, don't you? :lol: Do you regularly flash your meat n' vegs in public toilets away from the trough? If so, may I suggest it's a problematic thing to do, no matter what one's genital configuration!Consul wrote:Keeping on a piece of clothing may be a good idea in this case—and also in the case of transwomen who otherwise look female but still have male genitals. However, hiding a package behind bikini briefs—such that it becomes (virtually) invisible—is pretty difficult. (No, I haven't tried it myself.)
With due respect, I think my assessment matters more than yours because I am personally affected - or unaffected as the case my be - by transwomen using women's restrooms.Consul wrote:I haven't yet passed a final judgment. The shower-room or changing-room situation is actually more problematic than the toilet situation, where people don't undress or stand around naked in front of others.Greta wrote: ↑June 10th, 2018, 6:43 pmYou want to deny transwomen the chance to go to public toilets without risking abuse, humiliation, bashing, rape or assault.
Gratuitously and pointlessly exposing such people to intense dangers in what should be simple, everyday living is not "protection and support". I would have zero problem seeing a big, unconvincing transwoman in the Ladies' toilet (I probably would not notice the others), just as long as she relieves herself in the cubicle normally and leaving it clean and then gets on with her life. If anything, it would just make my day a little more interesting. I would much rather that situation than a dirty regular woman who leaves toilet paper or pads on the seat or floor.
There is one group of transwomen at least that is quite unproblematic with regard to women-only places such as restrooms and shower-rooms, namely those who underwent genital surgery. There really is no good reason to exclude a post-operative transwoman with female breasts and a vagina from these places. And as for women's restrooms at least, there is no good reason either to exclude a hormonally feminized transwoman from these places who looks and dresses like a woman but lacks a vagina.
But as far as women-only places are concerned where people undress and see each other naked (or half-naked at least), the group of those transwomen who are either wholly physically unfeminized (and hence physically indistinguishable from non-TS men) or only partly physically feminized (female face, skin, muscles, voice, breasts, but still male genitals) is a real problem. In my opinion, the former should be excluded from those places. The latter needn't be excluded if they don't undress completely and somehow manage to hide their male genitals.
I personally think that there needs to be more rigorous gatekeeping by assessing psychiatrists as regards approving treatment for transsexuals in preventing big, boofy men with gender issues from ruining their lives with a damaging life change if they have no hope of passing as female in public. You'd think there might be a better way to deal with their gender disturbance but I suppose that at this stage psychotherapy has no advanced to that point. Whatever internal frission is present for masculine men who see themselves as feminine, it's impossible to imagine the changeover improving their lives given the hostility of elements of society towards them. It looks like a recipe for suicide.