Do you consider yourself a philosopher?
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I don't consider any objective value statement on the quality of philosopher. The only objective value statement that can be held on better or worse philosophers is their ability to be objective, their ability to listen to all views, all points equally and take them for what they are worth. The notion of "bad philosopher" only comes into play when someone posits merely their opinion with no reasoning or evidence whatsoever, or discounts all opposing views without analyzing the evidence. Being open to belief revision is another one of these qualities that distinguishes a good from bad philosopher. One is not a "bad philosopher" just because they use an invalid argument, logical fallacies or poor reasoning. This is an opportunity for learning and teaching, not a mistake. In turn, when it comes to giving a value judgment on a "better" or "worse" than scale, I do not see it fit to apply these judgments at all whether it be comparing a high school student who has never read any philosophy, the arm chair philosopher, those with a formal degree in Philosophy like myself, or the "famous philosopher" like those you speak of as "masters." Everyone is an equally great philosopher, but it is the dedication (the dedication level is how I think most people distinguish "Great" philosophers from "not so great," though I disagree with this) that is normally most salient; the amount of dedication one has to loving wisdom and the pursuit of truth. Everyone is equal in my eyes, every philosopher has value to offer and the only judgment that can be made in my eyes is how receptive they are to ideas that do not agree with their own.
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a real philosopher needs to think for themself, discorse with others to get the bottom of questions, but not for their own understanding, for everyones understanding. Idealy we could have conversations all the time, but our egos make us defensive and take stances rather than listen and wonder. So a real philosopher must understand their ego as something seperate than their ability to reason, and the most vital part, knowing how little you know. Ultimately philosophy is about making better(more fulfilling) lives for everyone, so lies are somewhat accepted, if they carry a vital message, like creativity, excellence in virtue, and moral guidlines for the betterment of a city. A philosopher should learn and be aware of more than express their wonder and ask questions, unless of course, in debate, then asking questions is the only thing a philosopher wants to do.
Truth is the ultimate ideal, and if there is no such thing, than freedom, most likely though, they are one and the same.
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Re: Yes, I long to find all those answers!!!!!!!
Philosophy isn't a science. One cannot simply look into a book and discover all the answers to everything.eskimokiss20 wrote:It's important for people to understand philosophy because its always great to know why things happen and how they happen.
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David Hume would be rolling in his grave, that racist jerk. I don't really think Machiavelli sought to make the lives of all people, or even most people better. And let us not forget Ayn Rand and her objectivist followers. Come to think of it, most philosophers throughout the ages have not had the betterment of mankind on their minds, it is pretty much a recent phenomenon. Although I'm sure that a few have written about it, what with that whole phase of creating Utopias and whatnot...Marcus Clayman wrote:Ultimately philosophy is about making better(more fulfilling) lives for everyone, so lies are somewhat accepted, if they carry a vital message, like creativity, excellence in virtue, and moral guidlines for the betterment of a city.
Again, Hume and the grave rolling...Marcus Clayman wrote:A philosopher should learn and be aware of more than express their wonder and ask questions, unless of course, in debate, then asking questions is the only thing a philosopher wants to do.
Truth is the ultimate ideal, and if there is no such thing, than freedom, most likely though, they are one and the same.
On the topic of truth/freedom being the ultimate ideals, do you Know of one thing in this universe? And furthermore, do you know of anything to be completely Free? I bet you do not. I don't think anyone ever has, and if they say other wise, its most likely a lie, which is alright sometimes, as you have said.
And why are things like Truth and freedom so important? I don't think it is the philosopher's job to find Truth anymore, the scientists and theologians pretty much have that in hand. As for the notion of Freedom, it has become a matter of religion and politics.
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Re: Do you consider yourself a philosopher?
Short answer: No.philoreaderguy wrote:Do you consider yourself a philosopher? Do you think other people do? Why or why not?
I am not a philosopher in any sense of the word. I am merely a human. I hold opinions about different things, I think some things may be true, but I could be wrong. "Rationalism", "Logic", "Truth" and all those other deified words are nothing but theoretical used to present others of a one dimensional certainty in a multidimensional world.
Everyone on this board has a concrete definition of what a philosopher is, some people say being like other "master" philosophers qualify as being a philosopher, or that everyone is a philosopher. What does that say about us? That because we all ask questions, we automatically are super wise beings? Or that only those with superior intellects can truly attain the title of philosopher?
Philosophers are those that loathe being called philosophers, they wish that terrible word never existed.
In short(once more): philosophers are more than likely not concerned with any of the semantics accompanied with finding out if someone is a philosopher or not.
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"the only thing we require to be good philosophers is the faculty of wonder"
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To be an actual philosopher I think you have to not only seek truth but you have to DEVOTE YOUR LIFE to that search and do everything in your power to find it.
It is not enough to think from time to time about philosophical questions. What matters is that you try to live your life according to the principles you teach and expound upon. Furthermore I think it is important to share whatever truth you have found if people are wiling to hear you. Even if they are not you can always be that gadfly like ol' Socrates.
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What makes a person a philosopher? Devotion!
It could be compared to a philosophy professor who intellectually knows everything about the subject, but suffers his own life in shambles because he hasn’t applied the philosophic principles he understands.
I think that the whole purpose of studying philosophy is the devout application to your own life, thereby seeking for yourself the 'changes' touted by those that espouse it's virtues. It is these ‘changes’ that make a philosopher ‘different’ from others.
Indeed, these changes in the way the real world is perceived by a philosopher, has caused many radical personalities throughout history, including today; so if you don’t like appearing different from the norm be careful.
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Do you consider yourself a philosopher?
But yes, I do consider myself to be a philosopher, and I have been told jokingly that I am (in the broad sense). A philosopher is one who loves wisdom, who searches after the truth, and I believe tries to live one's life by certain a certain truth and/or principal.
I am always questioning life, the "why", the "what is", trying to come up with a question that is original -- is that possible though. I bet all of the philosophers written about in the books in one way or another "borrowed" their "original" truths about life from others' strands.
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