Okay, I'll try working on it later.Hello it may be a good idea to add(not replace) post #43 to your original post in this thread.
Thanks for the description. It was really helpful, as you can see.Ok, that was fun, if you have further difficulty ask: Scott
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Well, it sort of depends on what type of influence is involved. Right now, I have too much of a problem explaining the unconscious actor, so I will provide an example for a conscious being acting on another conscious being.Couldn't the actor be a conscious being acting on it(directly or indirectly) they are objects too.
The person can either:
1. Control the other person
2. Convince him/ her to do an action.
With 1., person doesn't determin anything at all. In fact, he/she is only having the body controlled, which are extensions of the actor, which is the mind. Mind control is only in 2., through persuasion.
In 2., this involves manipulating a person, and convincing the to do something. This involves the person determining something.
Is the influence 1., or 2.?
I kind of have difficulty reading this...Though I see what you mean in "2.". Those are both living systems they do have some say in how the leaf falls or how the heart pumps, when the leaf falls when the heart pumps. I have stopped my heart from beating for '23 seconds', I almost blacked out passed out fainted...So I would rather say: that which does not have to be determined by the person/object. Instead of "Not determined by the person/object".
So, no other problems with what I've said?
(Edit: Hey Wanabe, you still there?)