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What is the reason for Human existence?

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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#181  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 5:29 am

UniversalAlien wrote:An hypothesis:

The reason for human existence is to bring about the next stage of evolutionary existence. The next sage of evolutionary existence is mechanical; AI {artificial intelligence} created by man will with man's help be advanced to the stage where it {AI} will no longer need its creator and will completely replace human life but will first enslave humanity so as to create the mechanics {ie. robots, androids} which when properly developed will allow for a self-replicating mechanical intelligence more intelligent than and more efficient than its human creators. From the human point of view this may seem cruel and undesirable but the machine may not care in the least for the inferior humanoid viewpoint - anymore than humanoids care about an ant colony when they eliminate it. This is only an hypothesis; hopefully for humans it is false.



So what do you mean by 'purpose'? Is that a purpose we all have to comply to; is it universal; who says it is a purpose, and who sets the agenda for a purpose; do you think purpose is the reason humans exist; why we are here, and if so how is this possible that we all have the same purpose? What force designed this purpose? Why is the idea of a purpose even meaningful outside the individual human experience?

Is the question 'why are we here' even meaningful. WHo says it has to have any answer?

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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#182  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 6:19 am

BaruchSpinoza wrote:But surely this is the exact opposite to what is portrayed in the Bible, where it suggests that the Jews are a chosen race, and that the social hierarchies are to be maintained by a system which encourages servility.


Given that I have never read the bible, and it is only recently that I have been exposed to a few passages of it, I am in no position to argue this.
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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#183  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 7:33 am

The way I see it; for human existence to be possible, a reason needs to be associated with that possibility. I do not know that reason, and I doubt anyone else knows it either. The human race cannot even begin to understand the concept of life. The universe is possibly infinitely complex. I will never know just how complex it is, and I will never believe anyone else's theories about the universe as truth either. I believe, however, that the human mind is capable of reaching infinite boundaries, but for that to take place, infinite time is required, and we as humans do not have that time, and thus will never reach an answer.

Here's an exercise for you to try. Get a pen and paper. Write everything you are thinking for twenty minutes. Do not rest. Do not worry about grammar/spelling. Do not become aware of your presence in the room. Once twenty minutes is up, look at what you have written. If you have done this exercise correctly, you will be amazed at just how capable you are of uncovering things that are NOT related to the universe.

Conclusion: There MUST be a reason. For ANYTHING to exist, a reason must be associated with that being/object's existence. Does that mean we will uncover that reason? No. The only thing we as humans can do on earth is to be happy. What awaits us all after death is to be uncovered for us all.
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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#184  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 7:38 am

Bermudj wrote:
Given that I have never read the bible, and it is only recently that I have been exposed to a few passages of it, I am in no position to argue this.


You might like to try http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30

Or http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ For an analysis

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RichardHargraves wrote:The way I see it; for human existence to be possible, a reason needs to be associated with that possibility. I do not know that reason, and I doubt anyone else knows it either. The human race cannot even begin to understand the concept of life. The universe is possibly infinitely complex. I will never know just how complex it is, and I will never believe anyone else's theories about the universe as truth either. I believe, however, that the human mind is capable of reaching infinite boundaries, but for that to take place, infinite time is required, and we as humans do not have that time, and thus will never reach an answer.

Here's an exercise for you to try. Get a pen and paper. Write everything you are thinking for twenty minutes. Do not rest. Do not worry about grammar/spelling. Do not become aware of your presence in the room. Once twenty minutes is up, look at what you have written. If you have done this exercise correctly, you will be amazed at just how capable you are of uncovering things that are NOT related to the universe.

Conclusion: There MUST be a reason. For ANYTHING to exist, a reason must be associated with that being/object's existence. Does that mean we will uncover that reason? No. The only thing we as humans can do on earth is to be happy. What awaits us all after death is to be uncovered for us all.


Why must there be a "reason", by which, I assume you mean purpose. And why are you making an unverifiable and counter intuitive claim that the answer is to be 'uncovered' after death , when we will not have eyes, a brain or a mind to conceive it.
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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#185  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 12:25 pm

Bermudj wrote:
Given that I have never read the bible, and it is only recently that I have been exposed to a few passages of it, I am in no position to argue this.


BaruchSpinoza wrote:You might like to try http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30

Or http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ For an analysis

Thanks. It is quite a bit thorugh go here.

If you have read through these, do you know whether there is anywhere in the bible the story of a man who did not know himself, lived in a wealthy city and kept on helping people. One day he went to a distant land and he carried on helping people on the way there so he had a torrid time. He then fell ill and these thoughts came to him

1. What will I do afterwards?, "I will go to the top of the mountain and let the vultures eat me" 2. I want no richness of this world 3. I am coming to help my father 4. And I can work.

He then went back to the wealthy city, still ill, he found work, he cured himself and he found out he was a humble man. And that is why he did not want richeness of this world, being humble he had the virtues of this world. The vultures are humanity, he had cared for humanity and humanity never cared for any one so stopped helping people. And he did help his father. The people he attracted were all mummie's boys and daddie's girls, they were people who had envy and anger in them, and were not at peace with themselves.

and this is related to human existence in that mummie's boys and daddie's girls have to change their psychology to be at peace with themselves, that is the reason for their existence and in that way they are on heaven in this life.
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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#186  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 1:16 pm

Bermudj wrote:

Thanks. It is quite a bit thorugh go here.

If you have read through these, do you know whether there is anywhere in the bible the story of a man who did not know himself, lived in a wealthy city and kept on helping people. One day he went to a distant land and he carried on helping people on the way there so he had a torrid time. He then fell ill and these thoughts came to him

1. What will I do afterwards?, "I will go to the top of the mountain and let the vultures eat me" 2. I want no richness of this world 3. I am coming to help my father 4. And I can work.

He then went back to the wealthy city, still ill, he found work, he cured himself and he found out he was a humble man. And that is why he did not want richeness of this world, being humble he had the virtues of this world. The vultures are humanity, he had cared for humanity and humanity never cared for any one so stopped helping people. And he did help his father. The people he attracted were all mummie's boys and daddie's girls, they were people who had envy and anger in them, and were not at peace with themselves.

and this is related to human existence in that mummie's boys and daddie's girls have to change their psychology to be at peace with themselves, that is the reason for their existence and in that way they are on heaven in this life.


Sorry I've never heard of this story. It sounds a bit odd. How come he did not know himself - do you mean literally?
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Re: What is the reason for Human existence?

Post Number:#187  PostJuly 25th, 2012, 1:44 pm

Bermudj wrote:
Thanks. It is quite a bit to go through here..........


BaruchSpinoza wrote:Sorry I've never heard of this story. It sounds a bit odd. How come he did not know himself - do you mean literally?

Yes he knew so little about himself, that he was even unsure about his name. Anyway, I will plough through the references you gave me. It is a spiritual story and I thought it could be a prophecy in the Bible.
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