Could time have a beginning without an end?

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Hi. I am new to philosophy so please be patient. It is easier to understand infinity than to understand something starting from nothing, and then returning to nothing. The word finite almost means the process of returning to infinity. Infinity is the place (apparently) where all matter comes from. Can you have one without the other?
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Richard---Hi. I am new to philosophy so please be patient. It is easier to understand infinity than to understand something starting from nothing, and then returning to nothing. The word finite almost means the process of returning to infinity. Infinity is the place (apparently) where all matter comes from. Can you have one without the other?
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You've confused time beginnings endings with space being finite or infinite.

Time is to etenrity,

as space is to infinity.

Go back and read my cosmic hieararchy lists/outlines in this thread if not others and you will then have the most comprehensive whole set. From there we have left out no parts of existence to be considered.

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Time and infinity are so similar as to not argue about. Both are not physical and both will go on forever. There are always more parts to be considered unless we believe we know the answers already.
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No argument just correcting you with the facts. Clarity is important in rational, logical common sense disscussion. imho.

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It very well could and if it is it proposes a circular sense of time. Moreover, a circular sense of time both verifies the idea of infinity and eternity, as well as showing the self-contradictions in the world may well be an example of an empirical truth of the world.
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This is simply limited to our human conception of time. There could very well be a beginning without an end, but this is simply a human construct. Time is a human construct; therefore, so is a beginning and an end.

It all comes down to humans and their perspectives of the universe.

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Saw038---This is simply limited to our human conception of time. There could very well be a beginning without an end, but this is simply a human construct.


Yeah, human construct as in people can say anything, irrespective of whether what they say is true.

There never exists a beginning of occupied space Universe without end. That type of thinking stems from Big Bang scenarios.
Time is a human construct; therefore, so is a beginning and an end.
There exists two kinds of time:

1} physical/energy { fermions and bosons } ergo observed time aka sine-wave frequency ^v^v

2} temporal time i.e. mental construct via consciousness time lags between begining and ending moments.
It all comes down to humans and their perspectives of the universe.
It is neither up or down. Universe has no up or down directions. I think what you mean, our perspective begins with our I-verse.
Life and the liver are one in the same; they cannot be seperated.
How this is relevant to any of above or topic I dunno. True the liver is biological life, however, to be technically correct, once the finite { in space and time} biological body dies, the life of the liver by itself is related to the preservation of the cells within it, and that is usually done by refrigeration, ergo a retarding of the bacteria decay of the liver tissue. imho

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Could time be both radial and linear? Like light emitted from a single point in all directions.
With the characteristics of both wave and particle.
The present being representative of the photon (or visa versa)
Much like pi. We know the first number, but is there a last?
It has some sort of anchored coordinate, but we can't ever seem to reach it.
The number "1" may be the first positive whole number on a scale of endless positive and negative numbers, but there is no "first" number or last number, only an endless invention of digits stretching out in both directions. Both numbers and time are human concepts which do not otherwise exist. Take all humans off the planet, and the deer in the forest functions very well without a watch or calendar.
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Both numbers and time are human concepts which do not otherwise exist. Take all humans off the planet, and the deer in the forest functions very well without a watch or calendar.
Animals have a sense of time. They have their internal watches/calendars, which tell them, for example, the time of day when a predator is less likely to be prowling around a watering hole, when autumn is waning and they should move on to a warmer clime, etc.
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I don't believe animals have a sense of time, I believe they live in the now, responding to the situation, as the situation arises.
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Present awareness wrote:I don't believe animals have a sense of time, I believe they live in the now, responding to the situation, as the situation arises.
Yes, the concerns of other species tend to be much more immediate than those of humans, both temporally and spatially. However, the attributes that have bloomed in humans are seen to a lessor degree in other species, certainly in social predators that look to a future when the prey is down and they are eating.
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I believe that as humans, we tend to project human concepts onto animals as well as everything else that we encounter. As humans, our ability to think abstractly, gives us a distinct advantage over other animals. We can visualize how things might be, instead of how things are. We develope tools and technology, all from our imaginations. Nevertheless, there is a downside to human intelligence. Abstract thought, fantasy and dreams are often not in touch with reality and a person daydreaming, may walk in front of a moving bus and be killed, simply because they were not aware of the present moment surroundings. Time, is a useful concept for humans, but worthless to animals whom live in the present moment.
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My experience is that animals have a sense of time and/or rely more on their intuition. As Greta said, we too are animals, it's a difference of degree, not kind. -- https://goo.gl/txuU0R
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I don't believe you could see it any other way Felix. Your projection of time onto animals is natural. However, time does not exsist in nature, only in the human mind. Before you were born, that is, before you had a human mind, did you have any sense of time? Prior to my birth, countless billion of years could have passed by and I would have been none the wiser. Now that I'm here, it seems that suddenly the universe exsist and that time exsist, but the illusion won't last long, maybe 80 or 90 (human concepted) years, if we are lucky.
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However, time does not exist in nature, only in the human mind.
Animal behaviour studies say otherwise. What's your opinion based on, a vague impression?
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