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I'm not sure what you are asking for here? Pull is an intelligence based concept/action. Something like nature, which has no intelligence, can't achieve it by itself. If it appears that nature is pulling, it is only because the observer has been deceived by invisible forces, which they have assumed, are pulling.
You are no different than those who claim pulling. You do not explain the mechanism you prefer to believe in. Quantum has no explanation either.
Xris wrote:
You are no different than those who claim pulling. You do not explain the mechanism you prefer to believe in. Quantum has no explanation either.
All irrational science which includes a pulling gravity and quantum mechanics will one day be disproved. Nature is not irrational, only mankind is capable of being irrational. I'm not sure what you mean by "You are no different than those who claim pulling"?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Beware! The devil wears the mask of a saint.
"All irrational science which includes a pulling gravity and quantum mechanics will one day be disproved. Nature is not irrational, only mankind is capable of being irrational. I'm not sure what you mean by "You are no different than those who claim pulling"?"
So you're saying that mankind isn't part of nature. Another problem is that since you're saying that nature is rational, how did it bring about irrational mankind. And if nature didn't give rise to mankind, then where did mankind come from (God?)
DarwinX wrote:
All irrational science which includes a pulling gravity and quantum mechanics will one day be disproved. Nature is not irrational, only mankind is capable of being irrational. I'm not sure what you mean by "You are no different than those who claim pulling"?
I would tend to agree that gravity is more of a push effect than a pull effect. A similar analogy is that a vacuum cleaner doesn't pull the dust up, it's the pressure differential which results in the air pushing the dust into the machine. In the case of gravity, you may ask what is pushing us down and this is the tricky thing because it isn't anything that resembles tangible matter but more likely the stuff that matter is made of which is quite probably the illusive dark energy.
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
So you're saying that mankind isn't part of nature. Another problem is that since you're saying that nature is rational, how did it bring about irrational mankind. And if nature didn't give rise to mankind, then where did mankind come from (God?)
I am merely stating what I observe. If you can disprove my hypothesis, you are welcome to try. In order to be irrational, you must first become rational, then you mess it up by becoming irrational. The causes of irrationality can be by having other agendas which you see as more important that truth or reality. For example - You have religious beliefs which are undermined by rational thinking, therefore, you need to distort your rational thoughts so that they fit into your religious ideologies. This is how the Big Bang Theory and quantum mechanics came about. A static universe model wouldn't allow the creation story to exist, so scientists have agreed on the Big Bang Theory as a compromise. Thus, irrational god creation type concepts have been introduced into science due to religious pressures.
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Okisites wrote:DarwinX
I had one question, that "Why magnet seems to have a Pull force or a potential or a quality of being Pulled by Iron?"
Pull force is an illusion and is logically impossible. There must be a pushing force similar to an aeroplane wing, which creates high and low pressure zones. The low pressure zone could be misinterpreted as a pulling action.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Beware! The devil wears the mask of a saint.
Don't wish to go too far afield, but I must ask DarwinX a few questions:
1) What do you mean by being irrational? 2) Since you're part of mankind, then are you irrational? 3) Why do some people look upon themselves as being rational, and others as being irrational? 4) If mankind is irrational, then how would mankind know that nature is rational?
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Rationality and logic are human constructs. They do not influence the behaviours of nature and reality. If it is irrational, that doesn't mean its wrong, it simply means that logic and rationality are limited when trying to explain the phenomena of reality.
The good life is one inspired by love, and guided by knowledge. - Bertrand Russell
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
1) What do you mean by being irrational? 2) Since you're part of mankind, then are you irrational? 3) Why do some people look upon themselves as being rational, and others as being irrational? 4) If mankind is irrational, then how would mankind know that nature is rational?
1. According to modern physics, nature is irrational. This is because it doesn't fit in with human preconceptions about how nature should be. The human ego refuses to accept that humans could be wrong, therefore, it must be nature that is wrong and that humans are always right. Religion, ego, career, ambition, prestige and power control are some of the things that get in the way of logic and truth. Humans will often choose to further their careers in preference to furthering human knowledge. Thus, a university professors first priority, lies with their own advancement, and not with the advancement of science or physics. Thus, in order to keep their university posting in tact, they must adopt the consensus view of reality, otherwise they will be expelled from the system. Students that disagree with the consensus view of reality will fail their exams and also be expelled from the system. Thus, the system protects itself from dissenters and remains in a dormant state of stagnation.
2. I am outside of the system, and are therefore, free of the pressures of conformity and consensus. Thus, I have a better chance of discovering the true reality.
3. If you are free of the pressures of consensus, conformity, ego, ambition, prestige and religion, then you have a chance of being rational and logical.
4. Nature has no choice to be anything else but logical and rational. Being illogical and irrational requires an intelligence which is corrupted by religion, ambition, ego, prestige, consensus and conformity etc.
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Machapungo wrote:I see no way around asserting that everything that really physically exists is a form of energy. Further, I think we need to be careful to not include patterns as energy. For instance, the material and electromagnetic fields in the brain are energy but the patterns of structure and thought are not, in themselves, energy. The energy in the brain supports and allows the patterns. I does not matter if the thoughts are this or that as far as the energy content of the brain is concerned. Information and knowledge are not in themselves a form of energy. Do you agree?
Some energy gives the illusion of being static, they call this static electricity. Static electricity is really spin energy. The atomic spin direction can be used by the brain as computer language in the form of bits and bytes.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Beware! The devil wears the mask of a saint.
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" Machapungo wrote:I see no way around asserting that everything that really physically exists is a form of energy. Further, I think we need to be careful to not include patterns as energy. For instance, the material and electromagnetic fields in the brain are energy but the patterns of structure and thought are not, in themselves, energy. The energy in the brain supports and allows the patterns. It does not matter if the thoughts are this or that as far as the energy content of the brain is concerned. Information and knowledge are not in themselves a form of energy. Do you agree? "
Some energy gives the illusion of being static, they call this static electricity. Static electricity is really spin energy. The atomic spin direction can be used by the brain as computer language in the form of bits and bytes.
Nothing is static, even static electricity. Are you asserting that atomic spin direction IS used by the brain? OR, are you just saying that it is a physical thing that might somehow be used by the brain? Also, You did not directly address what I said about patterns. The universe is full of patterns of matter and other forms of energy that can and do change.
Energy exists as the negligible innate inner motion, Passion, of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness of Time and Space, the Energy of a Singularity being eternal, everlasting, producing heat, a Singularity making a humming sound, not being subject to the Relativity of Time and Space.
Xris is right: Energy is a concept, not an object.
Because, in any system, both energy and momentum are conserved, it always looks like a give and take between components: Like an object that is being moved around, but it is just the actions (or potential actions) we refer to as energy.
The Immortal Spirit, Energy, Passion of God, the seed of all living things exists as heat Energy produced by a vibration, an oscillation, by the negligible inner innate eternal, meaningless motion, Passion, of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness of Time and Space; the meaningless motion of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness existing without displacement, without angular momentum, without velocity of Speed and Direction.
A Singularity alone in the Emptiness has no relative numerical value; the First Singularity to have relative a d numerical value of One-1, the Reality of First Cause being a Transfiguration, being the First Singularity to have relative, numerical value, a numerical value of One-1. The meaningless motion of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness, having no relative, numerical value, having a numerical value of Zero-0 being Transfigured, converted into a Singularity having relative, a numerical value of One-1 being a Transmutation, a metamorphosis being a Singularity having no relative, numerical value, having a numerical value of Zero-0 was displaced; said Singularity attained angular momentum, velocity of speed and direction, meaning, relative value, became the First Singularity to have relative, a numerical value of One-1 by being the First in a series, the beginning of a process such as the evolutionary process, by becoming the beginning of a continuum such as Space Time.
En, the Reality of First Cause coming into existence as the metamorphosis of a Singularity having no relative, numerical value, having a numerical value of Zero-0, being converted into the First Singularity to have relative, a numerical value of One-1; En the Uncaused Cause, the Reality of First Cause, being the direct material cause of the System of Chaos that has made manifest Reality of the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything.
Philosophy Explorer #108
"So you're saying that mankind isn't part of nature. Another problem is that since you're saying that nature is rational, how did it bring about irrational mankind. And if nature didn't give rise to mankind, then where did mankind come from (God?)"
Wayne wrote; Nature does not Reason, Nature is born of a system of Chaos. Mankind as a Mortal Being is part of Nature, however as an Immortal Being, a Humane Being having both a Flesh Body and a Spiritual Body a Humane Being is an Individual that exist only in part as part of the Whole of Nature; Immortal Man having both a Spiritual Body and a Flesh, Material, Physical Body; mortal man being born of the dust of the ground, Man’s Spiritual body, Immortal Body, Eve being a Creation, not being born of Nature.
When the breath, the Spirit, when the Passion, the seed of all Living things was breathed into Man’s Nostrils it was God that became Immortal, a Living Soul, a Humane Being, Eve being Created in the Image of the Spirit of God, Boundlessness, alive in the Flesh Body of Mankind, Man’s Spirit, Passion, Boundlessness; the Spirit of Man Passion being born in the Image of the Spirit, the Passion of God.
The Immortal Spirit, Energy, Passion of God, the seed of all living things exists as heat Energy produced by a vibration, an oscillation, by the negligible inner innate motion of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness of Time and Space.
Eating of the Fruit; the Knowledge born of a Single Source as it comes to Fruition, is made manifest Reality, being Absolutely Bad Knowledge mistaken to be Absolutely Good Knowledge, Knowledge having a Dual Quality, the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Mankind in his rationalizations became Irrational, Sick in the Head, sic, sic, sic, became a Man Beast, Man Beast having a perverted distorted sense of Manliness; Machismo being the cause of Man becoming a Male Chauvinistic Pig, Man Beast; Machismo carrying over into every aspect of Man’s way of Life.
Machismo being a Rationalization exists as an Illusion, false Reality, as a strong or exaggerated sense of traditional masculinity placing great value on physical courage, virility, domination of women, and aggressiveness. 2. An exaggerated interest or devotion to something, often accompanied by a sense of Superiority.
By the way Immortality belongs to Mankind as a Species, not as an Individual.
Ninety-nine percent of every Creature that has ever existed on the Planet Earth is not Extinct, mainly due to competition within the Species, the Battle for the Survival of the most fit.
Bound by the Laws of Nature, a Creature born of the dust of the ground, the Evolutionary Process; Mortal, Animal, Man, Man born of Nature, not born of the Spirit of God will kill his and her own kind, both he and she are both spoken of as being Mankind; Both Man, woman being born of the Dust of the Ground; the Story Adam and Eve is not about the first Man and Women, Eve, the term Woman being a metaphor for Mankind's Spiritual Body; Man, Adam, the term Man, Mankind, to include the Female Sex.
Adam and Eve, the two that as One, are the First Humane Being, together existing as an Individuality, a Singularity.
It being required that a Humane Being have both a Physical body and a Spiritual Body; Eve, Woman as metaphor is taken by, Man having Machismo, a perverted sense of Manliness, to be Immaterial, of little or no value.
The Man Beast being sick in the Head is sic, sic, sic, the mentality of the Male chauvinistic being tattooed, in the Mind of Mankind in general, being forcefully implemented by the Right Hand.