The Cure For Global Warming

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[quote="Philosophy Explorer"]Xris,

Since you say that NASA and IPCC lie about global temperature increases, what do you think will be their response to the current deep freeze in the US? And what do you think drives the jet stream?[/quotehttp://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weath ... nd-climate

I don't suppose the experts will convince you or your friend they are all in on the global conspiracy. :roll:
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Xris,

Disregarding what DarwinX wrote, do you have a response?
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The world is not a bottomless resource. It has limits of pollutants and imbalances on the earth, in the ocean and in the sky.

Yes, agriculture, buildings and roads have damaged a lot of the natural order. However, smarter ways of going things using renewable energy will obviously help. Even the most blinkered denialist can't deny air pollution. Just ask the Chinese. Peak oil is yet to come. We need renewable energy. We need miniaturisation. We need automation to do the hard and dirty work etc.

Whatever we do won't stop the coming problems but our efforts today can alleviate the effects somewhat.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote:Xris,

Since you say that NASA and IPCC lie about global temperature increases, what do you think will be their response to the current deep freeze in the US? And what do you think drives the jet stream?
If you had watched the link it would have explained, the jet stream has been seriously effected by the loss of Arctic ice. Moving it south has resulted in the conditions we have seen in America. The weather becomes a result of long term changes in climate. It is a complex system that requires understanding not this simplistic gut reaction. Yes certain pollutants by man can reduce the temperature. Certain aerosole (nano) particles can reflect sun light but the overall effect of our activity is increasing global temperstures. This is a fact not some strange conspiracy by 97% of scientific researchers.
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Xris,

Based on your post #34, you're saying that a raise in global temperature is to be expected, yet you're saying that NASA and IPCC are lying about it. Why?

My second question is why is the US currently experiencing a deep freeze?
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Philosophy Explorer wrote:Xris,

Based on your post #34, you're saying that a raise in global temperature is to be expected, yet you're saying that NASA and IPCC are lying about it. Why?

My second question is why is the US currently experiencing a deep freeze?
Sorry but I can not understand why you would believe I said NASA and the IPCC are lying. I have just explained to you why America is experiencing extremely cold weather.
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Xris wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Xris,

Based on your post #34, you're saying that a raise in global temperature is to be expected, yet you're saying that NASA and IPCC are lying about it. Why?

My second question is why is the US currently experiencing a deep freeze?
Sorry but I can not understand why you would believe I said NASA and the IPCC are lying. I have just explained to you why America is experiencing extremely cold weather.
Look at what you said in post #28.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Xris wrote: (Nested quote removed.)

Sorry but I can not understand why you would believe I said NASA and the IPCC are lying. I have just explained to you why America is experiencing extremely cold weather.
Look at what you said in post #28.
I think you should read post 28. If you are doubting NASA and the IPCC you are calling them liars. You either agree with them or claim they have deliberately falsified their observations. I believe they have produced evidence of global warming. What do you believe?
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In response to Xris.

When I say I doubt, I mean I'm skeptical, not that I'm calling NASA and the IPCC liars as I doubted that their sampling periods were too short. Considering the record deep freeze the US is undergoing makes me more skeptical.

Now I have a question for Xris. I'm quoting the following statement he made: "The weather men are in no doubt the increase in global temp. are fuelling extreme weather."

How are the weather men responsible for the increase in global temperature and how are they fueling extreme weather?!!! (what is it that you meant to say?)
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Philosophy Explorer wrote:In response to Xris.

When I say I doubt, I mean I'm skeptical, not that I'm calling NASA and the IPCC liars as I doubted that their sampling periods were too short. Considering the record deep freeze the US is undergoing makes me more skeptical.

Now I have a question for Xris. I'm quoting the following statement he made: "The weather men are in no doubt the increase in global temp. are fuelling extreme weather."

How are the weather men responsible for the increase in global temperature and how are they fueling extreme weather?!!! (what is it that you meant to say?)
Your fesicous remark indicates your inability to respond. You dam well know what I am saying.The weather men are certain what is causing the extreme weather conditions. So what sampling periods do you believe NASA and the IPCC examined?
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Xris asks:

"So what sampling periods do you believe NASA and the IPCC examined?"

The question is irrelevant as it stands now. Whatever they've examined is a very tiny fragment of weather history. I'm far from the first one to cast doubt on global warming and now with the deep freeze going on, just adds to my skepticism.

Would like to debate with you further, but since you're dyslexic with communication problems, then I'll have to pass up on further attempts at communicating with you since you're having problems at getting your complete message across in this forum. Sorry.
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Xris wrote: Weather is the state of the atmosphere and climate is average weather conditions over a period of time. Also, Xris, I have listened to scientist on both sides of the issue. Do you have a different meaning? So why did you agree with the idea that 20 years of records can indicates no change in climate? NASA and the IPCC both agree that the increase in global temperature is a fact and that historically it has not risen as quickly for millions of years..It is a blatant lie to say that the IPCC only consider the last hundred years of records. It is a complex and vigorous scientific exercise by various fields of enquiry that has conclusively proven an increase in global temperatures. An increase in global temperatures will cause a varied amount of climate change that we are alll experiencing..It is warmer now than in the last thousand years. It has risen .7 of a degree over one hundred years.Faster than any time in the Earths history. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the highest in 350 million years. We are witnessing an increase in the ozone in the troposphere. We are witnessing the artic ice retreating. We are experiencing extreme weather conditions, breaking all previous records.What exactly would convince you Misty?

Xris - stop garbling on and answer the five question test that Wilson refused to answer to -

Test of knowledge

1. What do you know about Maurice Strong?

2. What message did the leaked email from the "hockey stick trick" graph by Michael Mann contain?

3. How many cars,houses and airplanes does Al Gore own?

4. Did the IPCC take into account the heat island effect in their measurements of global temperature?

5. What causes sea ice to melt (a) air temperature (b) water temperature?
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DarwinX, your views on global warming have been noted (repeatedly).

Just wondering what it would take for you to believe the huge majority of scientists (and most others) that climate change is occurring? What evidence would you need? What level of catastrophes would be required?
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If you do not believe in Global Warming just look at a map of the World! Once there were forests and lush land where there is now desert eg. Africa and Middle East. I believe the desert is still creeping southwards.

With the Earth’s spin slowing down, and getting nearer to the sun, it kinda makes sense that we are “on the boil”! I heard that in dinosaurs’ time the heating rate was one degree every 1000 years and that now, with pollution, it has the potential of one in a 100 years!! I am not sure why but apparently Africa heats up twice as fast? I already feel our summers are hotter than they were in my youth so please give us a thought as you rev up your car engines!!

If it were not for the retraction of the forests of Africa through natural global warming we would not be Homo Sapiens today! Now there are too many of us, but only 20% have access to all commodities such as water, electricity and sanitation, which are all global warming contributors through industrialization. There are not enough commodities to offer everyone anyway! Only in the past couple of weeks 5 people were killed here whilst protesting about the lack of provision of water, a basic right! Many of our rivers, used by rural people for centuries, are now polluted and undrinkable and therefore the need for industrially purified water (causing pollution)!

If Global Warming is caused by people then it is only the top 20% of the World’s population that causes most of it. That is both selfish and scary! If we educated the Poor to become tax paying useful citizens (as desired), who want better lives with access to commodities, can you imagine where Global Warming would be then? Even though the Poor’s birth rate is 11% higher than the “Rich” it really is irrelevant to Global Warming and no doubt a reason for the Poor to be left poor! I therefore do not see education, even though it reduces population growth, as an answer to Global Warming! Someone mentioned going back to Amish ways but in Africa most of the people live more biodegradable lives!

So, if we are not going to change our ways we then have to alter the weather! What better way than how I heard the Naked Scientist explain. Place balloons the size of football stadiums in the sky with a pipe into the sea where it will be pumped up and excreted as mist to form clouds which will block the Sun’s scorching rays, reduce the temperature, and no doubt cause rainfall! Ingenious! Maybe raw sewage should be piped and spewed over desert land to dry out and be dug in, planted, then with the balloons in place who knows what will grow. Putting balloons over dry land is of no use as it will just run off so it must be fertilized and aerated first. Pumping water from the sea to desert land will help maintain the sea level which is rising because of ice melt and reduce the temperature!
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The issue is that climate changes is the fault of humans. The sun and the magnetic field of sun spots is what controls climate changes. Please watch the following;

On youtube.com type in The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie - - - -sound education on the subject. Please watch the entire movie.

Also accessible on you tube: Climategate - The Fraud of Global Warming and Climate Change

http://www.ClimateDepot.com

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