The Cure For Global Warming
- Theboombody
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The Cure For Global Warming
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
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We should wreck our economy and die early? You first.Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
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So you're saying that the only reason better technology is pushed as the solution is because a more perfect solution is pretty much incomprehensible at this point? If we're at that stage already after 150 lousy years, then I'd say the planet is destined for doom. Does anyone really think better technology will be enough to stop the global warming that it caused? Even a 90% reduction in C02 emissions is still poisoning the planet, granted the poisoning is happening more slowly.A Poster He or I wrote:Local solutions are of no value in reversing global warming, so I'd say your cure is also of no value.
So my argument isn't so much that we should all turn Amish. My real argument is, why are we bothering to fight global warming if the only solution we have is a crummy one?
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Why must the only answer come from the idea of technology development (which again, I stress, is the very thing that got us global warming in the first place)? If a path was followed to create a problem, it's madness to assume that the same path should be followed to solve the problem, isn't it?Xris wrote:Deforestation due to agriculture is a magor contributor to global warming.So to is the production of rice crops. An increase in population has to be followed by increased global warming. We can't help ourselves. The only answer has to come from inventive technology.
That being said, your comment does present a new alternative to cure the ills of global warming - reduction of population. I would assume this might happen on its own due to market forces, which I think I fear more than global warming itself.
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To suggest we drastically reduce the world population is just as impossible as recommending we all go back to ploughing our back yards. We have gone too far to turn back the clock. It is only our desire to survive through technology that will save us. The earth will survive no matter what happens to us.Theboombody wrote:Why must the only answer come from the idea of technology development (which again, I stress, is the very thing that got us global warming in the first place)? If a path was followed to create a problem, it's madness to assume that the same path should be followed to solve the problem, isn't it?Xris wrote:Deforestation due to agriculture is a magor contributor to global warming.So to is the production of rice crops. An increase in population has to be followed by increased global warming. We can't help ourselves. The only answer has to come from inventive technology.
That being said, your comment does present a new alternative to cure the ills of global warming - reduction of population. I would assume this might happen on its own due to market forces, which I think I fear more than global warming itself.
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Technology is pushed as the solution because it is good marketing for the technology companies to do so. Any claim of being able to reverse global warming is disingenuous; the real motive is money.So you're saying that the only reason better technology is pushed as the solution is because a more perfect solution is pretty much incomprehensible at this point?
A more perfect solution is not incomprehensible, just completely impractical.
The planet will adapt just fine to a new biosphere, as it has many times in the geological record. Humans simply may not be a part of the new picture. If they are, it will be a greatly reduced population with new survival skills bred by reduced resources and the violence of massive social collapse.If we're at that stage already after 150 lousy years, then I'd say the planet is destined for doom.
I know a few people who do think the issue can be addressed by technology but they are uable to explain to me how in any coherent fashion.Does anyone really think better technology will be enough to stop the global warming that it caused? Even a 90% reduction in C02 emissions is still poisoning the planet, granted the poisoning is happening more slowly.
Even the Amish are going to suffer when their crops fail and wells dry up. The actual "solution" to global warming is long-term adaptation, something that could possibly be set in motion over the course of several generations, either in a proactive way by educational initiatives, or more likely in a reactive way after massive social violence.So my argument isn't so much that we should all turn Amish. My real argument is, why are we bothering to fight global warming if the only solution we have is a crummy one?
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I think the Amish way of life would not work outside of anything but small farming communities. The way they life is deliberately unambitious.Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
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I don't dispute that. I can foresee if we are unwilling to take ourselves backwards though, then environmental conditions might end up forcing us to go backwards.Theophane wrote:I think the Amish way of life would not work outside of anything but small farming communities. The way they life is deliberately unambitious.Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
Plus there ain't anything wrong with being unambitious. In some ways that's very good.
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You have made the false assumption that there is global warming in the first place. Global warming is just a ruling class deception to get the masses to forgo their current lifestyle and to pay more unnecessary taxes. The Northern hemisphere is currently going through its coldest period in hundreds of years and the global average hasn't changed one iota in the last 17 years.Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
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I tend to agree with you. It has also made people like Gore filthy rich and able to burn any light bulb he wishes in as many homes as he wishes, etc..DarwinX wrote:
You have made the false assumption that there is global warming in the first place. Global warming is just a ruling class deception to get the masses to forgo their current lifestyle and to pay more unnecessary taxes. The Northern hemisphere is currently going through its coldest period in hundreds of years and the global average hasn't changed one iota in the last 17 years.
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What have you formed your opinion on Misty? Do understand the difference between weather and climate, Misty?Misty wrote:I tend to agree with you. It has also made people like Gore filthy rich and able to burn any light bulb he wishes in as many homes as he wishes, etc..DarwinX wrote:
You have made the false assumption that there is global warming in the first place. Global warming is just a ruling class deception to get the masses to forgo their current lifestyle and to pay more unnecessary taxes. The Northern hemisphere is currently going through its coldest period in hundreds of years and the global average hasn't changed one iota in the last 17 years.
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