Doctors make you sick

[Obvious Leo]

G'day Belinda,

It seems we're on the same page in that prevention is not only better than cure but also a hell of a lot cheaper. However I suspect education might be a more effective strategy to achieve this than state control, which has a poor track record in such matters.

Regards Leo

[Belinda]

But Leo, education cannot happen if it is funded by interests that are attached to big pharma and other nefarious big consortia, including religious sects (But let's not divert our attentions to religious sects from an important main thread)

Education must be centrally funded through taxation and, as much as possible, locally controlled by local people, and taking on board the advice of the experts, i.e. the teachers.

[Obvious Leo]

Education must be centrally funded through taxation and, as much as possible, locally controlled by local people, and taking on board the advice of the experts, i.e. the teachers.

You'll get no argument from me. I regard privatised education as anathema and privatised health care as even worse. I'm glad you clarified your point in such a way that I could agree with you. The funding for education is most efficiently dealt with centrally but the exercise of control is best managed locally. The same could be said for health care if it comes to that so it's not the doctors that make us sick but the industry that makes a quid out of ensuring that we stay that way.

Regards Leo

[Belinda]

Wow! It feels good to meet someone who will vote as I do

[Obvious Leo]

Wow! It feels good to meet someone who will vote as I do

I'm a tree-hugging, greenie, bleeding-heart, neo-Gaian Bolshevik with an attitude problem, so I tend to vote for the mob that are telling me the system's broken. However I'm also a pragmatic cynic who doesn't for one moment believe that they'd ever have the power to mend it. He that pays the piper calls the tune. However we digress into politics, which is rather tangential to the OP.

Regards Leo

[Belinda]

Sounds good, Leo. At least you made me smile

[Geordie Ross]

The concept that doctors are there to help people get well is a false concept. Doctors have no educational, incentive, motive, financial reason or any other reason to make people well. They don't get paid any extra is they succeed in making you well. If you get sicker or die because of their medication or advice, no worries, the system will cover their mistakes and make sure that nobody ever finds out. In fact, if you want to stay alive for a long time, its best to avoid any hospital or medical surgery. Funny things happen in hospitals. People die all the time because of medical mistakes; mismanagement; ignorance of how the human body works and failure to recognize vitamin deficiency as the cause of disease. The medical system relies on making money, and lots of it. If your problem is not profitable, ie it can't be fixed by drugs, surgery or therapies, then, they are not interested. But don't worry, they will give you plenty of drugs, even if you don't need them.

Darwin. You make an inordinate amount of conspiracy theory claims yet provide nothing in support of it. Remind me again what philosophical questions and arguments you have proposed? You basically amount to a conspiracy preacher.

[DarwinX]

My wife is allergic to Iodine however, see may be able to take kelp tablets which I have been taking for years, which is an excellent source for Iodine, however is not a cure-all. Sugar in its refined state is a problem but, you must be aware that everything that you eat turns into some form of sugar, in the body, although the sugars from food are not a problem, rather sugars added to foods is a problem, but in moderation for most people is not a problem. Anyone can get Cancer, since 84% of all cancers are viruses and most resident in the body and can be activated in many ways. Many cancers when in terminal form can be contagious depending on the type, where there was a study done on terminal cancer patient nurses and families who take care of terminal cancer patients and they were found to have a higher rate of cancer then others.

There is no such thing as an allergy. (See may other post on allergies). If you get sick because of iodine, it is because you are using chemical iodine which is a poison. Biological iodine is a more appropriate way to get iodine. She can't possibly be allergic to garlic, onion, kelp, vegetable and fruit, all of which contain iodine.

The problem with refined sugar,is that it is a concentrate. All concentrates are bad for the human digestive system. Concentrates cause the red blood cells to stick together and can feed any cancer cells which appear. Cancer can only occur in the absence of iodine. Iodine is a bullet like weapon which destroys damaged cells - (apoptosis).

Cancers are not viruses. Viruses are a result of internal poisoning of the blood system. The cells spontaneously produce viruses as a means of cleaning the blood.

Germs are the result of disease, they are not the cause of it. (Antoine Bechamp)

I for one have had chronic hypertension since I was a child, and has not been a problem until Doctors insisted to fix my problem, which is when most of my health problem started. However, I could understand why the Doctors wanted to fix my problem because in my cause I should not have been alive. When I was working at the Hospital in my late teens, my blood pressure was a normal of 250+/120, where on several occasions they did not have a blood pressure cuff that could register over 350, however even the Doctors at that time could not understand how I could be so healthy and yet have a blood pressure which would require them to put me in the Hospital because I was ready to die, in front of them. This kind of blood pressure is called hypertensive encephalopathy, which is considered a terminal condition, however, with the exception of having nose bleeds since I was a young child, most Doctors did not take Blood Pressure in young children unless they where sick, and then they expected it to be a little high. Nevertheless, I had no real health problems until the Doctors made me start taking medication, for which in my teen years there where only a few at that time and when they tried to give me them, they put me to sleep. Later on when they had found more types of drugs which could work they found three medications which kept my blood pressure to what they considered as normal, and they did this for about 18 years from which started a slue of medical issues. Now I have become allergic to these medications and can no longer take them without causing life threatening issues, but since I have stopped taking these meds many of my health issues have gone away. Nevertheless, I can't go to a Doctor without either signing a release or get into an argument about what will happen if they insist in treating my blood pressure. I have been tested for all known problems that could cause high blood pressure, and they still cannot find why I have this issue. So, your blanket statements on various issues above, specifically on blood pressure is false to some degree, and just because you don't have an elevated blood pressure at fifty, that may change with additional age, depending on your environment, an I hope that this does not occur. There are many things wrong with the Medical Industry today but we need good Doctors who care about their patients, but there is much that can be done to improve these issues, and those issues are not necessarily the fault of Doctors, but more so the training that they get and the crape they have to put up with to get a good education, and then pay off the bill for this education. I must admit that there should be more effort taken in the testing of individuals who wish to become Doctors, for it takes a specific aptitude to perform this profession, and just because one thinks that they want to become a Doctor, doesn't it mean that they will be a good one at that.

1. Concerning your high blood pressure - do you eat a lot of refined sugar, dairy products and salt?

2. Do you have a normal sized heart?

3. What is your resting heart rate?

It is possible that you have a genetic defect which causes this problem, if it is not a dietary problem. If you answer the question above, I will have a better idea about what your situation is.

-- Updated May 23rd, 2014, 11:30 am to add the following --

G'day all.

My wife and son are both medical professionals so this is one of my favourite topics. I love nothing better than beating them over the head with it and they are powerless to defend themselves. I agree completely with the OP, since the third highest cause of death in the developed world is through medical error. However my biggest bitch is reserved for the drug business, where billions of dollars are spent on developing drugs that will keep people alive without curing them but precious little is spent on developing drugs that will actually prevent people from dying of easily curable diseases. I worked for a while in the pharmaceutical industry in a previous life and the simple sense of this as a business model was made abundantly clear to me.

The drug business is a bit like the crime business in the US. If the criminal justice system were to focus on preventing crime in the first place, or rehabilitating juvenile offenders before they moved on to more serious crimes, then the entire economy of the US would collapse.

Regards Leo

Well done Leo. At least there is one other sane person on this website who has some experience with the insane nature of the current medical system. I value your inside knowledge and experience on this issue. That's right. The medical system is just a drug pushing cartel which is no better than any Mafia drug/crime organisation. They extort huge sums of money from people who have cancer and give them bogus and dangerous chemicals which do nothing to fix their problem. These criminals should be sent to jail. They ignore the powers of the human immune system as if it doesn't exist. Their arrogance and callousness is unbelievable. They believe that nature is faulty and needs to be bettered by artificial toxic chemical intervention. How stupid is that?

The drug cartels are the ones that pressure doctors into thinking like this. They blackmail the medical system by supplying doctors with huge salaries and incentives to use drugs instead of finding natural solutions and cures.

Note - Any doctor that doesn't prescribe drugs will be de-registered from the system.

[Subatomic God]

DarwinX you exaggerate and generalise to such an extent that yours claims amount to falsehoods.

As vague and belligerent it sounds, I don't disagree with the heart of this message. I know that people with D's can pass as surgically competent; I also know that stressed workers still operate on people and do not have their breaks.

Thus I can not see the honesty in medical operations, when they do very little to assure safety that is as common and simple as telling a child not to run with scissors - the only reason why such responsibilities are absent, and they care more about prescribing people to all sorts of medicines, is because they never cared about us as a corporation.

[Belinda]

Darwin wrote:

There is no such thing as an allergy.

Nettle sting? Jellyfish sting? Immune system in overdrive?

[DarwinX]

Darwin wrote:

There is no such thing as an allergy.

Nettle sting? Jellyfish sting? Immune system in overdrive?

Poison, poison, myth. If the immune system is in overdrive, then what gear is it in?

[Obvious Leo]

The immune system is the biological interface between the organism and its biosphere. The best way to think of an allergy is as a state of dis-equilibrium in the overall system. I'm afraid I don't see how denying the existence of such a thing is helpful since allergies amongst the human population have increased tenfold over the past two generations. This is largely due to the fact that the entire human genome is being substantially weakened by the success of modern medicine, not by its failure. Evolution is driven by death and nowadays there's precious little dying going on within the human population. Everybody gets to reproduce, even the infertile, and this was never part of nature's plan.

Regards Leo

[MidiChlorian]

There is no such thing as an allergy. (See may other post on allergies). If you get sick because of iodine, it is because you are using chemical iodine which is a poison. Biological iodine is a more appropriate way to get iodine. She can't possibly be allergic to garlic, onion, kelp, vegetable and fruit, all of which contain iodine.

DarwinX: Regardless of what you think about “allergies” they are a fact that they exist, and as you mention in another post on this topic, people should eat nuts, which does have a good nutritional factor for most people, except those individuals who have an allergy to “nuts”. As I mentioned before you are putting everyone into the same category as you, where it would seem that what’s good for you is good for everyone, not true. However, your sincerity is obvious, regarding good health, and I commend you, nevertheless, your are making statements in absolutes, which cannot be defined without argument and all known science. Regarding “iodine”, which I and the “United States Institute of Medicine” believe is probably too low for normal daily consumption, and should be, at least “150 micrograms per day”, if not more depending on tolerance. However, if you take more “iodine” then the body requires, it is expelled through the urine, but in some cases, a person can receive a toxicity level of “iodine” which “has symptoms similar to those of iodine deficiency. Commonly encountered symptoms are abnormal growth of the thyroid gland and disorders in functioning and growth of the organism as a whole.” Also; “Excess iodine can be more cytotoxic in the presence of selenium deficiency”, where “Iodine supplementation in selenium-deficient populations is theoretically problematic,” regardless of how a supplement is ingested or from what food, where “people dependent on food grown from selenium-deficient soil are also at risk” of “selenium deficiency” and cytotoxicity, where the cells that are subject to “cytotoxic compound can result in a variety of cell fates. The cells may undergo necrosis, in which they lose membrane integrity and die rapidly as a result of cell lysis. The cells can stop actively growing and dividing (a decrease in cell viability), or the cells can activate a genetic program of controlled cell death (apoptosis).”

The problem with refined sugar,is that it is a concentrate. All concentrates are bad for the human digestive system. Concentrates cause the red blood cells to stick together and can feed any cancer cells which appear. Cancer can only occur in the absence of iodine. Iodine is a bullet like weapon which destroys damaged cells - (apoptosis).

DarwinX: Again, I agree that “refined sugar” is not as healthy as those sugars found in natural form, like the sugar in honey, which is also found in a concentrated form but, is tolerated better by the body. However, your statement above where, you say that “Concentrates cause the red blood cells to stick together and can feed any cancer cells which appear” where I ask, where do the “cancer cells” come from “which appear” – do they appear magically, and I am sure that the Medical Industry would love to know that all one needs, to fight cancer, is “iodine.” Also, I would like to see your evidence where you state above that – “Iodine is a bullet like weapon which destroys damaged cells”, where are you indicating that cancer are “damaged cells”, or dying cells? Or, as mentioned in my response above where “the cells can activate a genetic program of controlled cell death (apoptosis)” which if they are dying does this relate to cancer cells?

Cancers are not viruses. Viruses are a result of internal poisoning of the blood system. The cells spontaneously produce viruses as a means of cleaning the blood.

DarwinX: I would suggest that you look you “Cancer and Viruses” – you can look this one up directly: alternative-doctor.com/cancer/are-all-c ... y-viruses/

” Get this and be clear about it. Many cancers are infectious; they arrive because of infective organisms and can be passed from person to person. 20% of all cancers are caused by infections and, 80% of those, it’s a virus.”

Germs are the result of disease, they are not the cause of it. (Antoine Bechamp)

I’m sorry, DarwinX, but Pierre Jacques “Antoine Béchamp”, theories’ have been refuted and are not considered as viable based on what we know today, however if you are suggesting that we go back to the 1800’s you would also find that man’s longevity has been lengthened since then, and mostly due to science and dedicated Doctor’s.

1. Concerning your high blood pressure - do you eat a lot of refined sugar, dairy products and salt?

2. Do you have a normal sized heart?

3. What is your resting heart rate?


It is possible that you have a genetic defect which causes this problem, if it is not a dietary problem. If you answer the question above, I will have a better idea about what your situation is.

DarwinX: The answer to your questions are: (1) – No., (2) – Yes, and I have had several Doppler stress test done, which show a normal very strong heart, which stands to reason since it has been exercising all of its life. And (3) – my resting heart rate is generally normal however, as indicated, I have no resting Blood Pressure, it is set to overdrive and has not regulator, where I will ask you, the same question that I have asked Doctor’s, what is a person’s blood pressure when they are working, walking or exercising? If one can answer that question then, as long as my heart has been this way for my entire life, then one could assume that my heart has been exercising its entire life, with the exception when Doctors tried to fix me. There are no know genetic issues, to date, that have been identified to cause this, nevertheless it is easier to think that I have a normal high blood pressure, or I am an alien. Although there is a possible theory which might indicate a reason; if I were living on a planet which had a higher atmospheric pressure, would not the body compensate by increasing the blood pressure to equalize the pressures effect on the body, something like compensating pressure for deep sea divers.

Also, your last statement above, would indicate that you consider yourself a professional on this subject, as could be cons crewed by your posts, and it would be helpful to know your qualifications to imply that you can determine an answer to this question where no one else can

[Rederic]

If it comes down to a choice between a medical professional who has trained for seven years, had years of experience, kept up to date with the latest research & medicines, or some crank who looks for conspiracy theories on the internet, then I'm afraid it's a no contest.

[DarwinX]

DarwinX: Regardless of what you think about “allergies” they are a fact that they exist, and as you mention in another post on this topic, people should eat nuts, which does have a good nutritional factor for most people, except those individuals who have an allergy to “nuts”. As I mentioned before you are putting everyone into the same category as you, where it would seem that what’s good for you is good for everyone, not true. However, your sincerity is obvious, regarding good health, and I commend you, nevertheless, your are making statements in absolutes, which cannot be defined without argument and all known science. Regarding “iodine”, which I and the “United States Institute of Medicine” believe is probably too low for normal daily consumption, and should be, at least “150 micrograms per day”, if not more depending on tolerance. However, if you take more “iodine” then the body requires, it is expelled through the urine, but in some cases, a person can receive a toxicity level of “iodine” which “has symptoms similar to those of iodine deficiency. Commonly encountered symptoms are abnormal growth of the thyroid gland and disorders in functioning and growth of the organism as a whole.” Also; “Excess iodine can be more cytotoxic in the presence of selenium deficiency”, where “Iodine supplementation in selenium-deficient populations is theoretically problematic,” regardless of how a supplement is ingested or from what food, where “people dependent on food grown from selenium-deficient soil are also at risk” of “selenium deficiency” and cytotoxicity, where the cells that are subject to “cytotoxic compound can result in a variety of cell fates. The cells may undergo necrosis, in which they lose membrane integrity and die rapidly as a result of cell lysis. The cells can stop actively growing and dividing (a decrease in cell viability), or the cells can activate a genetic program of controlled cell death (apoptosis).”

The human body uses the iodine/selenium elements as on and off switches. Other halogen chemicals (chlorine, bromine and fluorine) can interfere with this process. The medical system, either doesn't know this or chooses to ignore this basic fact. Most medicines contain halogen chemicals. This is because halogens are highly magnetic and can initiate chemical change. The 3 halogens, plus the 3 heavy metals - mercury, lead and arsenic are all poisonous to humans and cause immune system, thyroid, heart, liver and nervous system damage. These elements are used in many domestic products which eventually find their way into people's bodies. Although you may only need a small amount of iodine per day, this is constantly being undermined by the other halogens which are ever present in the form of plastic, rubber, pesticide, herbicide, fungicide, wood stabilizers, colour dyes, air-conditioning fluid and fabric protectors. The food that you eat is processed using halogen products to increase its shelf life and stabilizes its consistency. Halogens are in the drinking water, tooth paste, mouth wash, deodorants, hair spray and cosmetics. Therefore, it is not just a matter of having a small amount of iodine per day to make you healthy.

DarwinX: Again, I agree that “refined sugar” is not as healthy as those sugars found in natural form, like the sugar in honey, which is also found in a concentrated form but, is tolerated better by the body. However, your statement above where, you say that “Concentrates cause the red blood cells to stick together and can feed any cancer cells which appear” where I ask, where do the “cancer cells” come from “which appear” – do they appear magically, and I am sure that the Medical Industry would love to know that all one needs, to fight cancer, is “iodine.” Also, I would like to see your evidence where you state above that – “Iodine is a bullet like weapon which destroys damaged cells”, where are you indicating that cancer are “damaged cells”, or dying cells? Or, as mentioned in my response above where “the cells can activate a genetic program of controlled cell death (apoptosis)” which if they are dying does this relate to cancer cells?

Cancer cells are just normal cells which were due to die, but didn't. They are immortal cells which don't know how to die (apoptosis). This is because there isn't enough iodine in the body for the apoptosis to occur. This is also caused by eating dairy products which contain casein which is a blocking agent. The blocking agents such as casein, sugar and salt can initiate the cell damage or death which is a precursor to cancer formation. This is why breast cancer is usually found as a hard calcium based lump. Casein is also responsible for arthritis problems.

Germs are the result of disease, they are not the cause of it. (Antoine Bechamp)

I’m sorry, DarwinX, but Pierre Jacques “Antoine Béchamp”, theories’ have been refuted and are not considered as viable based on what we know today, however if you are suggesting that we go back to the 1800’s you would also find that man’s longevity has been lengthened since then, and mostly due to science and dedicated Doctor’s. [/quote]


Most of the current germ theories that we use today are based on 1800 scientists, so I don't get your point here? Luis Pasteur was at the same university as Antoine Bechamp. Pasteur was not a biologist, whereas, Bechamp was. You need to study the history books a bit more to find out the minor details of what actually happened all those years ago. Refer to my previous posts (Pasteur was a fraud) and ( Edward Jenner was fraud) for further information.

DarwinX: The answer to your questions are: (1) – No., (2) – Yes, and I have had several Doppler stress test done, which show a normal very strong heart, which stands to reason since it has been exercising all of its life. And (3) – my resting heart rate is generally normal however, as indicated, I have no resting Blood Pressure, it is set to overdrive and has not regulator, where I will ask you, the same question that I have asked Doctor’s, what is a person’s blood pressure when they are working, walking or exercising? If one can answer that question then, as long as my heart has been this way for my entire life, then one could assume that my heart has been exercising its entire life, with the exception when Doctors tried to fix me. There are no know genetic issues, to date, that have been identified to cause this, nevertheless it is easier to think that I have a normal high blood pressure, or I am an alien. Although there is a possible theory which might indicate a reason; if I were living on a planet which had a higher atmospheric pressure, would not the body compensate by increasing the blood pressure to equalize the pressures effect on the body, something like compensating pressure for deep sea divers.

Also, your last statement above, would indicate that you consider yourself a professional on this subject, as could be cons crewed by your posts, and it would be helpful to know your qualifications to imply that you can determine an answer to this question where no one else can

Has anybody bothered to test your iodine levels?

Ultimately, it is only the iodine/selenium balance which controls your heart rate. Therefore, there must be a problem with either your thyroid or pineal gland. The pineal gland is subject to calcification and deformity caused by halogen chemicals. I would suggest avoidance of all halogen based products. My heart rate was once too fast, but since I have avoided halogen products my problem has disappeared.