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The concept that doctors are there to help people get well is a false concept. Doctors have no educational, incentive, motive, financial reason or any other reason to make people well. They don't get paid any extra is they succeed in making you well. If you get sicker or die because of their medication or advice, no worries, the system will cover their mistakes and make sure that nobody ever finds out. In fact, if you want to stay alive for a long time, its best to avoid any hospital or medical surgery. Funny things happen in hospitals. People die all the time because of medical mistakes; mismanagement; ignorance of how the human body works and failure to recognize vitamin deficiency as the cause of disease. The medical system relies on making money, and lots of it. If your problem is not profitable, ie it can't be fixed by drugs, surgery or therapies, then, they are not interested. But don't worry, they will give you plenty of drugs, even if you don't need them.
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Sometimes Doctors really make people sick, but your post is just nonsense. Many people i like (including me) would be dead or more disabled than they are now without doctors.
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DarwinX you exaggerate and generalise to such an extent that yours claims amount to falsehoods.
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Rodion wrote:Sometimes Doctors really make people sick, but your post is just nonsense. Many people i like (including me) would be dead or more disabled than they are now without doctors.
Please give some details of your case. I will open your eyes to the deceptions, fraud and misconceptions about modern medicine. Note - If your case involved a contagious disease, then you have been deceived.

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Belinda wrote:DarwinX you exaggerate and generalise to such an extent that yours claims amount to falsehoods.
You still haven't replied to the question about the immune system. If the immune system and general body function relies on iodine as a communication switch which turns organs on and off. Then why doesn't the current medical system use it to treat body dysfunction? Is it because iodine is very cheap and easily available and anybody can get it for next to nothing? Does this easy availability of iodine make it impossible for medical practitioners to make a profit from disease and ill health and therefore, they need to hide the curative effects of iodine and selenium from the public? Is this why people who eat lots of seafood are always healthy and lead long and productive lives, while those persons who don't eat seafood are constantly plagued with disease, heart failure, cancer and other problems?
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DarwinX wrote:
If the immune system and general body function relies on iodine as a communication switch which turns organs on and off.
Does it? I did not know that iodine is the conductor of the endocrine orchestra. In any case, iodine is used therapeutically in thyroid disease and as I wrote in another thread, has been used prophylactically to prevent 'Derbyshire neck'* an interesting and non-lethal condition which you can look up on Google I doubt not. Also as I explained in the same thread, Ronaldsway sheep if put on to mainland pasture need extra copper and I guess extra iodine in their feed.

* Iodising all table salt effected a good prophylaxis.
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Belinda wrote:DarwinX wrote:
If the immune system and general body function relies on iodine as a communication switch which turns organs on and off.
Does it? I did not know that iodine is the conductor of the endocrine orchestra. In any case, iodine is used therapeutically in thyroid disease and as I wrote in another thread, has been used prophylactically to prevent 'Derbyshire neck'* an interesting and non-lethal condition which you can look up on Google I doubt not. Also as I explained in the same thread, Ronaldsway sheep if put on to mainland pasture need extra copper and I guess extra iodine in their feed.

* Iodising all table salt effected a good prophylaxis.
It is pitiful that someone who professes to have been a medical professional, doesn't know how the immune system works. This is why people are still getting sick despite advanced technology. Salt causes over eating and high blood pressure, so why put iodine into salt? People don't eat salt any more because they know it is unhealthy and leads to weight gain.

Why do they put bromine into bread and milk when bromine substitutes iodine and causes iodine deficiency? With all the advanced technology available, they should know what the properties of iodine are and how the human body uses it.

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I believe that table salt is no longer iodised in countries where all people eat a good mixed diet. In the old days people ate locally sourced food, and food grown in great watershed areas was iodine deficient.
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DarwinX: Your opening statement to this topic is a little harsh but not fare from the mark. The main problem is due to specialization of all the various sub-ology's in the medical field today, where a general practitioner or Internist can not keep up with everything that there is to know in the medical field today, then sending a patient to a specialist, is sometimes a bigger joke, where many of these specialists have taken additional study courses while practicing general medicine because if you are a specialist, you can charge more, but it does not necessarily mean that these specialist actually know more. I was talking to a specialist regarding the "thymus gland" and a specific issue which might require attention, and this specialist said that, my thymus gland was none functional in adults and was only active while in puberty. Now, it just so happens that I do my research and didn't bother to go back to this Doctor, because the thymus gland is the primary glade which acts to regulate the immune system, where the thymus glade takes sample of blood and lymphatic system along with other factors and generally promote proteins which stimulate the immune system. Mush of this is done on a thirty day cycle or lunar cycle, which is probably the main regulator for women's menstrual cycle. However, the thymus glad gets it blood supply from the thyroid glade, for which if there is a problem with the thyroid, it may effect the thymus glade.

The You-tube presentation which you added, is a viable issue regarding "iodine", and to condemn all Doctors would not be fair, in that much of the information in that presentation came from Doctor's however, to label them all as incompetent would not be just.

For the most part Doctors do not get enough training in diagnosis because there are to many factors which must be taken into consideration and to do so in the time frame of one fifteen minute appointment cannot be done and they have been taught to treat symptoms rather than the individual patient, and then they need to teach the patient, how to relate to their symptoms more accurately then just taking their word for it that the patient actually knows what they are talking about. Then many of these symptoms are side effects from medication they are taking for something else. Many of the Doctors have office managers who regulate the office in such a way to get the biggest buck from the time a Doctors has with a patient, and where there are no office managers there are Medical Groups which dictate policy for the Doctor regarding profitability.

Then there I the education which the Doctors are getting, where they are told that every person is based on statistics and that everyone should be the same or have the same vital signs and lab results, etc. I generally use the Merck's Physicians manual for a standard to go by which indicates that there are some norms but that with age the norms change. Blood pressure for one naturally increases with age and there is normally a reason why, but today if a seventy year old person goes into the office with an elevated blood pressure, rather not a normal 120/80, they start medication, which normally starts an ongoing problem which tend to cause additional symptoms, which require additional medication, etc., etc. So, someone who might otherwise be normal for their age, now become a person with a medical issue. By the way, there are no medications for high blood pressure which are not used for specific medical issues and they are prescribed because the symptoms of the medication lowers the blood pressure, but is originally prescribed for other major problems. Angiotensin type drugs are actually synthetic snake poison, which was found in the 1950, by studying the effects of snake venom on people, where they found that there where "K-enzymes'" which are effected causing an over flexibility of the arteries which eventually causes no blood pressure at all, but in microscopic amounts will cause the human bodies arteries to become more flexible, thereby decreasing blood pressure. Using these drugs for long periods of time, can cause a variety of other medical problems like diabetes.

So, it would seem to me that it is the medical industry which needs to be reorganized to finding cures for problems rather than causing problems which at this point is a very profitable industry around the world. Doctors are only doing what they are being taught and if this is wrong, who should we blame?
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What surprises me that people say about some old person who never went to the doctors: " he was never sick". However, most likely, he was never sick , because he never went to a doctor. I mean, human immune system is there to cure colds and flues and all sorts of non emergency ailments. If that person would go to the doctor, he'd take medicines, they in turn would cause a chain of other conditions, and so on.

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The test cardiologists do on people( forgot the name), to bring their Blood Pressure to 140 to see how the heart reacts, is one of those, killing procedures. It is drug induced. If person do not die, they still are, most likely, affected by this procedure, where some special drug is injected intravenously. If not affected, the procedure is stupefyingly painful and atrocious. When someone has it, the horror of it suddenly really, really opens person's eyes on how naive they are to agree to this torture in a first place and to the fact that medical world consideres this procedure acceptable. In my mind, use of this procedure should be prohibited. Amazingly, some of the affects of it can be heart attack and even death. Who in their right mind would use it on people with suspected cardiological problems ?!!
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MidiChlorian wrote:DarwinX: Your opening statement to this topic is a little harsh but not fare from the mark. The main problem is due to specialization of all the various sub-ology's in the medical field today, where a general practitioner or Internist can not keep up with everything that there is to know in the medical field today, then sending a patient to a specialist, is sometimes a bigger joke, where many of these specialists have taken additional study courses while practicing general medicine because if you are a specialist, you can charge more, but it does not necessarily mean that these specialist actually know more. I was talking to a specialist regarding the "thymus gland" and a specific issue which might require attention, and this specialist said that, my thymus gland was none functional in adults and was only active while in puberty. Now, it just so happens that I do my research and didn't bother to go back to this Doctor, because the thymus gland is the primary glade which acts to regulate the immune system, where the thymus glade takes sample of blood and lymphatic system along with other factors and generally promote proteins which stimulate the immune system. Mush of this is done on a thirty day cycle or lunar cycle, which is probably the main regulator for women's menstrual cycle. However, the thymus glad gets it blood supply from the thyroid glade, for which if there is a problem with the thyroid, it may effect the thymus gland.
Specialists are even more ignorant than what general practitioners are. I have been to some specialists and have found out that their knowledge of the human body and immune system is worse than kindergarten level. They have no understanding of how the human immune system operates. They think that iodine is a poison. This is how the system brainwashes them with nonsense. The medical system operates on a profit making system which totally disregards the function of the human immune system, as if it wasn't even there. This is because once you acknowledge the immune system, then doctors and medication are no longer required, as the immune system can fix 99% of all human health issues. Thus, the medical system has decided to delete the immune system from their training schedule, so that they can use dangerous chemicals in place of natural iodine to fix problems. Iodine is cheap and is easy to get. Thus, there is no money to be made from iodine, therefore, the medical system chooses to ignore its existence and to promote it as a toxic poison which should be avoided.
The You-tube presentation which you added, is a viable issue regarding "iodine", and to condemn all Doctors would not be fair, in that much of the information in that presentation came from Doctor's however, to label them all as incompetent would not be just.

For the most part Doctors do not get enough training in diagnosis because there are to many factors which must be taken into consideration and to do so in the time frame of one fifteen minute appointment cannot be done and they have been taught to treat symptoms rather than the individual patient, and then they need to teach the patient, how to relate to their symptoms more accurately then just taking their word for it that the patient actually knows what they are talking about. Then many of these symptoms are side effects from medication they are taking for something else. Many of the Doctors have office managers who regulate the office in such a way to get the biggest buck from the time a Doctors has with a patient, and where there are no office managers there are Medical Groups which dictate policy for the Doctor regarding profitability.

Then there I the education which the Doctors are getting, where they are told that every person is based on statistics and that everyone should be the same or have the same vital signs and lab results, etc. I generally use the Merck's Physicians manual for a standard to go by which indicates that there are some norms but that with age the norms change. Blood pressure for one naturally increases with age and there is normally a reason why, but today if a seventy year old person goes into the office with an elevated blood pressure, rather not a normal 120/80, they start medication, which normally starts an ongoing problem which tend to cause additional symptoms, which require additional medication, etc., etc. So, someone who might otherwise be normal for their age, now become a person with a medical issue. By the way, there are no medications for high blood pressure which are not used for specific medical issues and they are prescribed because the symptoms of the medication lowers the blood pressure, but is originally prescribed for other major problems. Angiotensin type drugs are actually synthetic snake poison, which was found in the 1950, by studying the effects of snake venom on people, where they found that there where "K-enzymes'" which are effected causing an over flexibility of the arteries which eventually causes no blood pressure at all, but in microscopic amounts will cause the human bodies arteries to become more flexible, thereby decreasing blood pressure. Using these drugs for long periods of time, can cause a variety of other medical problems like diabetes.

So, it would seem to me that it is the medical industry which needs to be reorganized to finding cures for problems rather than causing problems which at this point is a very profitable industry around the world. Doctors are only doing what they are being taught and if this is wrong, who should we blame?
Blood pressure is caused by eating blocking agents. These include, dairy products (unnatural to humans); and salt ( most foods contain enough salt, you don't have to add any). You you take blood pressure pills, it causes internal bleeding of the intestines, kidneys and stomach. Then, the medical system really kicks into action. You now have a serious problem, which the medical system will most likely prescribe internal investigation. This may involve intrusive bowel surgery and removal of bogus polyps. There are many money making scams that involve blood pressure pills as the initiating irritant. Note - It is not natural for blood pressure to increase with age, my blood pressure is the same as a teenagers, yet, I am in my 50's. A wholesome diet and exercise can prevent most problems.

Once you avoid eating salt, sugar and dairy products and eat foods that contain iodine you will avoid - high blood pressure, headaches, cancer, heart attacks, angina, diabetes, kidney failure, colds, flu, pneumonia and dementia. Some foods that contain natural iodine are - sea food, kelp, unions, garlic, fruit and vegetables.
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Yes, specialists are taught such narrow area of the body, they can hardly be called doctors. I once went to a doctor with shoulder pain. He consulted me on that, but the moment I asked about pain in my neck, he said, that I wrote in my complaints only the shoulder and he had nothing to say. He did not even offer me an appointment to figure things about my neck, at all. He got offended about me asking the question. That means he was prepared to answer only about shoulder, while to say something about my neck would take him to look it up in encyclopedia or online. No wander his rating was 2, this is the kind of doctors people get with medical insurance.
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Gulnara wrote:Yes, specialists are taught such narrow area of the body, they can hardly be called doctors. I once went to a doctor with shoulder pain. He consulted me on that, but the moment I asked about pain in my neck, he said, that I wrote in my complaints only the shoulder and he had nothing to say. He did not even offer me an appointment to figure things about my neck, at all. He got offended about me asking the question. That means he was prepared to answer only about shoulder, while to say something about my neck would take him to look it up in encyclopedia or online. No wander his rating was 2, this is the kind of doctors people get with medical insurance.
Pain is natures way of telling you that you are doing something wrong. Bad posture, heavy lifting from an unbalanced position, overloading of muscles and repetitive strain injury are all caused by mistakes or misconceptions about the capabilities of the human body. Only do things that the human body can easily handle. Avoid lifting huge weights without doing some warm-ups first. Rest will eventually fix most muscle problems. No need to see any doctors.
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DarwinX wrote: Blood pressure is caused by eating blocking agents. These include, dairy products (unnatural to humans); and salt ( most foods contain enough salt, you don't have to add any). You you take blood pressure pills, it causes internal bleeding of the intestines, kidneys and stomach. Then, the medical system really kicks into action. You now have a serious problem, which the medical system will most likely prescribe internal investigation. This may involve intrusive bowel surgery and removal of bogus polyps. There are many money making scams that involve blood pressure pills as the initiating irritant. Note - It is not natural for blood pressure to increase with age, my blood pressure is the same as a teenagers, yet, I am in my 50's. A wholesome diet and exercise can prevent most problems.

Once you avoid eating salt, sugar and dairy products and eat foods that contain iodine you will avoid - high blood pressure, headaches, cancer, heart attacks, angina, diabetes, kidney failure, colds, flu, pneumonia and dementia. Some foods that contain natural iodine are - sea food, kelp, unions, garlic, fruit and vegetables.
DarwinX: I commend you for your good health, however you are making blanket statements which are not necessarily accurate. Although what you say is not incorrect but it is also not correct, what may work for you may not work for others. My wife is allergic to Iodine however, see may be able to take kelp tablets which I have been taking for years, which is an excellent source for Iodine, however is not a cure-all. Sugar in its refined state is a problem but, you must be aware that everything that you eat turns into some form of sugar, in the body, although the sugars from food are not a problem, rather sugars added to foods is a problem, but in moderation for most people is not a problem. Anyone can get Cancer, since 84% of all cancers are viruses and most resident in the body and can be activated in many ways. Many cancers when in terminal form can be contagious depending on the type, where there was a study done on terminal cancer patient nurses and families who take care of terminal cancer patients and they were found to have a higher rate of cancer then others. There are some ailments which are hereditary and genetic also, there are cases of accidents which bring on specific diseases and ailments which can not be avoided. Regarding High Blood Pressure, there are four distinct ailments which can cause hypertension and once discovered can be cured and monitored. I for one have had chronic hypertension since I was a child, and has not been a problem until Doctors insisted to fix my problem, which is when most of my health problem started. However, I could understand why the Doctors wanted to fix my problem because in my cause I should not have been alive. When I was working at the Hospital in my late teens, my blood pressure was a normal of 250+/120, where on several occasions they did not have a blood pressure cuff that could register over 350, however even the Doctors at that time could not understand how I could be so healthy and yet have a blood pressure which would require them to put me in the Hospital because I was ready to die, in front of them. This kind of blood pressure is called hypertensive encephalopathy, which is considered a terminal condition, however, with the exception of having nose bleeds since I was a young child, most Doctors did not take Blood Pressure in young children unless they where sick, and then they expected it to be a little high. Nevertheless, I had no real health problems until the Doctors made me start taking medication, for which in my teen years there where only a few at that time and when they tried to give me them, they put me to sleep. Later on when they had found more types of drugs which could work they found three medications which kept my blood pressure to what they considered as normal, and they did this for about 18 years from which started a slue of medical issues. Now I have become allergic to these medications and can no longer take them without causing life threatening issues, but since I have stopped taking these meds many of my health issues have gone away. Nevertheless, I can't go to a Doctor without either signing a release or get into an argument about what will happen if they insist in treating my blood pressure. I have been tested for all known problems that could cause high blood pressure, and they still cannot find why I have this issue. So, your blanket statements on various issues above, specifically on blood pressure is false to some degree, and just because you don't have an elevated blood pressure at fifty, that may change with additional age, depending on your environment, an I hope that this does not occur. There are many things wrong with the Medical Industry today but we need good Doctors who care about their patients, but there is much that can be done to improve these issues, and those issues are not necessarily the fault of Doctors, but more so the training that they get and the crape they have to put up with to get a good education, and then pay off the bill for this education. I must admit that there should be more effort taken in the testing of individuals who wish to become Doctors, for it takes a specific aptitude to perform this profession, and just because one thinks that they want to become a Doctor, doesn't it mean that they will be a good one at that.
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G'day all.

My wife and son are both medical professionals so this is one of my favourite topics. I love nothing better than beating them over the head with it and they are powerless to defend themselves. I agree completely with the OP, since the third highest cause of death in the developed world is through medical error. However my biggest bitch is reserved for the drug business, where billions of dollars are spent on developing drugs that will keep people alive without curing them but precious little is spent on developing drugs that will actually prevent people from dying of easily curable diseases. I worked for a while in the pharmaceutical industry in a previous life and the simple sense of this as a business model was made abundantly clear to me.

The drug business is a bit like the crime business in the US. If the criminal justice system were to focus on preventing crime in the first place, or rehabilitating juvenile offenders before they moved on to more serious crimes, then the entire economy of the US would collapse.

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Obvious Leo, and Darwin, there is much work to be done to persuade more people in more affluent countries to adapt their lifestyles to their health. In the cases of many poor people they could not eat better unless they had more money to spend on food.

Some poor people in affluent countries cannot travel to shops or markets where fresh vegetables are sold, and where fresh vegetables are sold abundantly they are expensive to buy when the priority of a poor person is maintaining healthy body weight, and energy. One way round this difficulty, is to allocate welfare moneys to really poor people, and also to make nutritious cooking and buying a compulsory subject to be taught in schools. For instance it needs to be understood that, value for value, some rice, potato, or pasta thrown into a pot of cold water to simmer is as easy or easier than microwaving a ready made 'meal' . The home cooked rice or other carbohydrate needs only flavouring and the addition of the more expensive fresh vegetable and a very little protein such as nuts or flesh, flavouring, and olive oil.

There are ways to improve nutrition and take health from the control of pharmaceuticals, and these ways require political strength. Which means strong central state control of education and food distribution.
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