Are three stocks of mankind most satisfactory?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Aside from skin tone or color, probably nothing

Not quite they would still look different from a European if they had light skin, slightly different facial proportions, they would tend to be taller with longer limbs and head hair is a little more frizzy I suppose. I'm not sure if they really have a larger dong on average if that's a myth. There was a book I read years ago that covered all of this in some detail including charts with the measurements of the physical proportions along with averages of IQ and that kind of thing. It does sound a bit un-PC but it was a reasonable scientific book.

plus they can interbreed.
They would be able to do if they are the exact same species. I think we even managed to breed with the neanderthals so they would have been more a sub-species.
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Try walking from Beijing to Stockholm, having a look at every person you meet along the way.

OK, for various political and geographical reasons you probably wouldn't survive the trip. But if you did I'd wager you'd conclude that the human race is a continuum and that any divisions we place on that continuum are purely for our own amusement.
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What is it about a caucasoid that makes it different from a Negroid?
In my opinion, the 3 races are merely terms of convenience; the criteria for differenctiation being relative to the purpose: historical/geographical; cultural; predispositions for genetic markers; etc.

There are no hard-and-fast biological differences that hold up to scientific scrutiny. For example, one can broadly differentiate Caucasoids from Negroids as having less melanin pigmentation -- until one realizes that Dravidians are often darker than many Negroids. One can broadly differentiate Mongoloid eyes as having epicanthic folds -- until one realizes the eye fold mutation is only a few tens-of-thousands years old so all the Indians of North & South America lack the feature except the last tribes to migrate out of Asia, such as Inuits and Aleuts.
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Poster: Yes. Absolutely. But I reckon my post was more poetical. Made me want to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, like on a Coke ad.
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A Poster said:

"...so all the Indians of North & South America lack the feature..." which might mean they're not Indians (nor Mongoloid) at all (btw I believe you meant to say most Indians). How would one account for this?

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Phil/Poster: Sorry to jump in here. But you know by now I can't help myself.

The whole point of Poster's post, I believe, was that such distinctions as "Indian" are artificial. Obviously the word "Indian" happens to be geographically inaccurate too. Hence the updated term that's now normally used. But that's irrelevant to the point except insofar as it illustrates another way in which these distinctions reflect human history and culture and reflect precious little about biology; they say more about the people who coin them than they do about their subjects.
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PhilX: The Eurasian origin of American Indians assumes that one believes the Americas were initially populated by migrations from Asia over the Bering land bridge during the last Ice Age. Since American Indians don't have epicanthic folds except the Inuits & Aleuts, the conclusion is that either (a) the racial term Mongoloid is not in any kind of hard-and-fast association with eye features, or (b) the arising of the eye-fold mutation in Asia constituted the beginning of the Mongoloid race. Take your choice: it hardly matters since the term Mongoloid is implicated as a fabrication either way.

EDIT: Thanks for the help, Steve. By the way, when you refer to the updated term for Indian, do you mean "Amerindian?" I encountered this term in college but it never seemed to catch on.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote:enegue asks:


"What is it about a caucasoid that makes it different from a Negroid?"

Aside from skin tone or color, probably nothing plus they can interbreed.

PhilX
So, the word "race" is redundant because red-haired people would be a different race to blond-haired people, and they would be a difference race to blue-eyed people who would be a different race to brown-eyed people, etc.

Such a word is surely useless.

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enegue wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:enegue asks:


"What is it about a caucasoid that makes it different from a Negroid?"

Aside from skin tone or color, probably nothing plus they can interbreed.

PhilX
So, the word "race" is redundant because red-haired people would be a different race to blond-haired people, and they would be a difference race to blue-eyed people who would be a different race to brown-eyed people, etc.

Such a word is surely useless.

From my quick internet searches, I would say you're probably right.

PhilX

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Poster:
EDIT: Thanks for the help, Steve. By the way, when you refer to the updated term for Indian, do you mean "Amerindian?" I encountered this term in college but it never seemed to catch on.
No, I meant "Native American". I take that as being in the same category as "African American". i.e. an attempt to make the terms more descriptively clear-cut. You've already indicated the inaccuracy of the term "black". And obviously "Indian" is a result of a wild (and, I've read, deliberate) under-estimate of the circumference of the Earth!

Anyway, your points about so-called "Mongoloid" physical characteristics were very interesting.
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Native American Indians and Australian Aboriginals count as their own separate races they're not mongoloid or negroid but have different name. Within the race you can have a lot of variation as a Norwegian and an Arab would be Caucasian.
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Steve3007 wrote:No, I meant "Native American". I take that as being in the same category as "African American". i.e. an attempt to make the terms more descriptively clear-cut. You've already indicated the inaccuracy of the term "black". And obviously "Indian" is a result of a wild (and, I've read, deliberate) under-estimate of the circumference of the Earth!
Okay, I think I understand where you are heading with this. You believe that the various "races" of human are different stages of man's evolution. A caucasoid, a negroid and a mongoloid are just like Darwin's finches that differ in regard to beak size, body form, plumage and tail size.

That makes me think of a joke. "A caucasoid, a negroid and a mongoloid walk into a bar, and the caucasoid says to the barkeep, 'Drinks for me and my two friends!'. The bar keep looks at them carefully, then checks a list he keeps by the cash register, and replies, 'Sorry, we don't serve long beaked, thick bodied, bald, caucasoids in here.' The negroid turns to the caucasoid and says, 'Wait outside. We'll just have the one drink and be right out.'"

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Ruskin, you wrote: It describes the evolutionary process by which humanity gained self awareness and eventually independent freewill from God/Nature and the reason why we're subject to sin/death and aren't immortal. [end quote].

Are you saying that there would not have been death and decay if Adam and Eve had passed the test, If so would you please give scriptural evidence when the recreation of all of life occurred? Were there annual plants before the fall, or termites etc.

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