Science vs. the quantum world

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Science vs. the quantum world

Post by Whitedragon » August 12th, 2015, 12:12 pm

Can anyone help me with this question?

This is a question on AIDS vs. the quantum world. My question is are we looking for the problem too superficially? Is there something that happens to the human body at the quantum level when experiencing sex? What happens in space/time during intercourse? Can we be corrupted on a subatomic level; are there any rules as to what can and what cannot? Should we look beyond biology for the answers to our question? If we are somehow fragile on a quantum level as far as this is concerned what action can we take if any ?
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Re: Science vs. the quantum world

Post by YIOSTHEOY » May 31st, 2016, 7:30 am

Whitedragon wrote:Can anyone help me with this question?

This is a question on AIDS vs. the quantum world. My question is are we looking for the problem too superficially? Is there something that happens to the human body at the quantum level when experiencing sex? What happens in space/time during intercourse? Can we be corrupted on a subatomic level; are there any rules as to what can and what cannot? Should we look beyond biology for the answers to our question? If we are somehow fragile on a quantum level as far as this is concerned what action can we take if any ?
AIDS seems to have made its way into Europe and into the USA from Africa. The virus was noted in the Belgian Congo in the 1920s.

It is sexually transmitted. As such it would be prevented by any reasonable barrier method such as use of condoms.

The virus enters the blood stream through contact with body fluids.

The issue is cellular and viral NOT "quantum".

All you need to do is use a condom on your or someone else's penile organ to prevent it from happening to you. And don't share needles. And try to avoid blood transfusions. Many AIDS infected patients have inadvertently or consciously infected the blood supply with their infected blood.

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Post by Whitedragon » May 31st, 2016, 12:31 pm

It is hard to express the idea, and perhaps the notion about AIDS vs. the quantum world was a preamble to something else. Quantum might also not be the right word to use. Aside from aids, how does intercourse affect us on different dimensional levels ? Some people say that when we die we give off an electric pulse, which stops watches and other electronic devices. Are there similar forces at work in the human body, which spikes or changes, or even interchange during intercourse ? It is quite vague, sorry.
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Post by YIOSTHEOY » May 31st, 2016, 3:43 pm

Whitedragon wrote:It is hard to express the idea, and perhaps the notion about AIDS vs. the quantum world was a preamble to something else. Quantum might also not be the right word to use. Aside from aids, how does intercourse affect us on different dimensional levels ? Some people say that when we die we give off an electric pulse, which stops watches and other electronic devices. Are there similar forces at work in the human body, which spikes or changes, or even interchange during intercourse ? It is quite vague, sorry.
So now you want to talk about sex instead of AIDS ??

I would say that sex is something that kids dream about, young adults cannot resist, married people lose interest in, and old people don't think about very much because it is a lot of work and time consuming and for the short period of pleasure it is a very small return on investment.

Plus as people get older they tend to look like hammered crap and so the allure is no longer there.

The purpose of sex seems to be to guarantee reproduction by various animals including humans.

There are better things than sex. Power is better. Wealth is better. Fame is better.

A good bottle of wine or moonshine and a nice dinner are better. At least in my own view.

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Post by Whitedragon » June 1st, 2016, 3:14 pm

Indeed, there are better things than sex, though one’s concern is not with the worth of it, rather the scientific part of it. We could start another blog on the other aspects ; of course, it should prove amusing. At the risk of being, side tracked ; let me rephrase the question, getting back to aids as well. The question remains does anything happen beyond the cellular level, by different forces ? Does the problem of aids begin on a cellular level, or does the molecular part of it hold the greater enigma ? You also did not answer the question on electric pulses. We seem to confine our understanding of diseases to conventional biology, forgetting that other sciences govern biology. Cells are not just bio matter, it is atomic, and if the problem of a disease goes beyond the cellular into the realm of the atomic, orthodox approaches will not work and the problem of the disease falls beyond the realm of medicine.
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Post by YIOSTHEOY » June 1st, 2016, 4:40 pm

Whitedragon wrote:Indeed, there are better things than sex, though one’s concern is not with the worth of it, rather the scientific part of it. We could start another blog on the other aspects ; of course, it should prove amusing. At the risk of being, side tracked ; let me rephrase the question, getting back to aids as well. The question remains does anything happen beyond the cellular level, by different forces ? Does the problem of aids begin on a cellular level, or does the molecular part of it hold the greater enigma ? You also did not answer the question on electric pulses. We seem to confine our understanding of diseases to conventional biology, forgetting that other sciences govern biology. Cells are not just bio matter, it is atomic, and if the problem of a disease goes beyond the cellular into the realm of the atomic, orthodox approaches will not work and the problem of the disease falls beyond the realm of medicine.
I think sex is mostly neural. It is your brain playing tricks on you. It is Mother Nature tricking you into making babies.

I think disease is mostly cellular and viral.

I have not seen or read anything about disease being sub cellular or atomic or energy related -- not supernatural either.

In Microbiology in college they hammered into us that disease is not due to sin, as various churches would have you believe.

Disease is caused by germs, whether the germs are fungi, or yeasts, or bacteria, or viruses, or protein fragments (the latest and greatest auto immune disease factors recently discovered).

Since I have had this hammered into me on tests and in the lab, I am brainwashed by science about it.

I cannot now go back to Medieval thinking anymore.

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As far as what is most exciting in life, it is definitely not sex.

I have friends who are combat veterans who have said that fighting for your life is the most exciting thing.

For me, hunting big game is the most exciting thing. It brings out primordial instincts.

Spearfishing underwater while breath-hold skin diving is in a close second place. In that case the fishing spear in my hands feels very primordial.

When I hunt on dry land it is either with archery gear or a scoped rifle. Either way the feeling is the same, only the bow and arrow feel more primordial.

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Post by Steve3007 » June 2nd, 2016, 3:42 am

YIOSTHEOY:
In Microbiology in college they hammered into us that disease is not due to sin, as various churches would have you believe
This part is a joke, right? They didn't really have to remind you that disease is not due to sin in a science class taught some time within the last 100 years did they?

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Post by Whitedragon » June 2nd, 2016, 8:15 am

No, this is certainly not a spiritual debate and one was not hinting on it. Besides, it is quite likely that many Biblical spiritual teachings rest on quasi science and sociological observations. As you rightly say, Mother Nature tricks us into procreation ; it is just as likely that some of the spiritual leaders in ancient times knew more than they led on, and used the concept of sin to safeguard the population on mental health, physical health and social cohesion.
It is hard to understand where to go with this blog from here if there is no room for sub-cellular deviations that cause illness. One should also keep in mind that cells themselves consist of smaller molecular and atomic parts, which is the emphasis. Imagining a world where health problems only relate to biology seems almost idealistic.
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Post by Atreyu » June 9th, 2016, 9:13 pm

Whitedragon wrote:No, this is certainly not a spiritual debate and one was not hinting on it. Besides, it is quite likely that many Biblical spiritual teachings rest on quasi science and sociological observations. As you rightly say, Mother Nature tricks us into procreation ; it is just as likely that some of the spiritual leaders in ancient times knew more than they led on, and used the concept of sin to safeguard the population on mental health, physical health and social cohesion.
It is hard to understand where to go with this blog from here if there is no room for sub-cellular deviations that cause illness. One should also keep in mind that cells themselves consist of smaller molecular and atomic parts, which is the emphasis. Imagining a world where health problems only relate to biology seems almost idealistic.
Indeed, that would be idealistic, to say the least. However, the important causes of physical illness besides biology will be found more by considering the 'macro-world', rather than the 'micro-world.

For example, consider things such as the influence of the Sun, the planets, and the Moon on the Earth. Could not these large and powerful cosmic forces perhaps have something to do with illness? Anything at all?

Perhaps so, perhaps not, but it this kind of 'cosmic' thinking in which the important unknown causes will be found, not in the kind of thinking that developed particle and quantum theory....

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Post by Whitedragon » June 10th, 2016, 12:59 pm

Indeed, that would be idealistic, to say the least. However, the important causes of physical illness besides biology will be found more by considering the 'macro-world', rather than the 'micro-world.

For example, consider things such as the influence of the Sun, the planets, and the Moon on the Earth. Could not these large and powerful cosmic forces perhaps have something to do with illness? Anything at all?

Perhaps so, perhaps not, but it this kind of 'cosmic' thinking in which the important unknown causes will be found, not in the kind of thinking that developed particle and quantum theory....
Considering that, scientists study the quantum world to understand the universe better, as they say studying the micro helps you understand the macro, it is fair to say so. Looking to improve and solve health on smaller levels it to gain more control, whereas addressing such issues on conventional scales makes for superficial tugging.
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Post by Atreyu » June 10th, 2016, 9:35 pm

Whitedragon wrote:Considering that, scientists study the quantum world to understand the universe better, as they say studying the micro helps you understand the macro, it is fair to say so. Looking to improve and solve health on smaller levels it to gain more control, whereas addressing such issues on conventional scales makes for superficial tugging.
That's not true if the laws in question on each scale are different, as they are in ordinary science. No, studying electromagnetism is not going to help scientists understand how large cosmic bodies interact --- they have to use the concept and law of gravity on that scale.

To understand the macro from studying the micro, or vice versa, one must understand the laws which apply to both. And science hasn't discovered those universal laws yet....

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Post by Whitedragon » June 11th, 2016, 12:09 pm

Atreyu Said :
That's not true if the laws in question on each scale are different, as they are in ordinary science. No, studying electromagnetism is not going to help scientists understand how large cosmic bodies interact --- they have to use the concept and law of gravity on that scale.

To understand the macro from studying the micro, or vice versa, one must understand the laws which apply to both. And science hasn't discovered those universal laws yet....
Quantum physics is clear on this, studying the quantum world is preferable to studying the cosmos as a whole. The quantum world reveals secrets about the macro world ; this is not thumb sucking, but recounts from documentaries. One’s previous post clearly states that lower scale study makes for better control ; the rest is truly tugging it.

Besides quantum physics other forces, (admittedly beyond one’s knowledge), can affect us. If we address these problems conventionally, ignoring the possibility of other dynamics our focus rests on the wrong subject or object, hence senselessly tugging the conventional, perhaps even harming the person by ignoring a priori approaches.
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Post by Felix » June 11th, 2016, 1:58 pm

I would say the opposite is true: mankind's habitual nearsightedness, his failure to see the big picture, is destroying him, he is fiddling while Rome burns so to speak. Allow carbon pollution to kill off a sufficient number of sea plankton, which produce most of our oxygen, you can no longer breath. End of story, it was nice knowing you.
"We do not see things as they are; we see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin

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Post by Whitedragon » June 11th, 2016, 2:17 pm

Felix said :
I would say the opposite is true: mankind's habitual nearsightedness, his failure to see the big picture, is destroying him, he is fiddling while Rome burns so to speak. Allow carbon pollution to kill off a sufficient number of sea plankton, which produce most of our oxygen, you can no longer breath. End of story, it was nice knowing you.
True, but this thread’s focus is on the strange, not the obvious, though it is obvious that something undersized in the mind of man with disputed inception governs him to do big things to great and small.
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Post by Atreyu » June 11th, 2016, 8:24 pm

Whitedragon wrote:Atreyu Said :
That's not true if the laws in question on each scale are different, as they are in ordinary science. No, studying electromagnetism is not going to help scientists understand how large cosmic bodies interact --- they have to use the concept and law of gravity on that scale.

To understand the macro from studying the micro, or vice versa, one must understand the laws which apply to both. And science hasn't discovered those universal laws yet....
Quantum physics is clear on this, studying the quantum world is preferable to studying the cosmos as a whole. The quantum world reveals secrets about the macro world ; this is not thumb sucking, but recounts from documentaries. One’s previous post clearly states that lower scale study makes for better control ; the rest is truly tugging it.
Quantum physics says that because they cannot study the cosmos as a whole and do not even know how to go about it. Of course fishing with a fishing rod will be preferable to fishing with a big net if you don't have a net. And much more so if you don't know how to make a net. And even more so if you don't know what a net is. And this last point actually illustrates the relationship between physics and studying the Universe as a whole.
Besides quantum physics other forces, (admittedly beyond one’s knowledge), can affect us. If we address these problems conventionally, ignoring the possibility of other dynamics our focus rests on the wrong subject or object, hence senselessly tugging the conventional, perhaps even harming the person by ignoring a priori approaches.
Right. And all I was saying is that those other unknown forces are cosmic ones, i.e. that they apply on a macro scale....

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